Hypocrisy on Abortion?

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EricHiggin said:

One way or another someone dies. Either he snaps and kills her because she's a bit loony and drives him nuts, or he kills himself because he can't take it anymore and won't use other means to legitimately separate from her.

He's financially taking care of them both. Without his money, she requires another host. Whether it be another partner, a business, the state. On her own she is basically screwed, or ends up homeless, etc.

How is this much different than not wanting a fetus leeching off of you that cannot survive without you as it's host, or not wanting to have to go through giving birth and dealing with the aftermath even though other means are available?

The difference here is that... Those two actually entered into a social contract, that is what a marriage is.

However... There is also the option of divorce and both going their separate ways and potentially living happily ever after not at the expense of the other individual.

The fact is, your example cannot really be adhered to the abortion dilemma because they are fundamentally different... A fetus biologically requires the body of another to survive... Your example does not, it's just a thought experiment.

EricHiggin said:

I'm comparing abortion to this hypothetical voluntary manslaughter case.

I'm asking is it a woman's fault for getting into the situation in the first place and becoming pregnant (non forced), as much as she doesn't want to be? Is it ok to terminate the fetus because this wasn't planned or expected to turn out this way, even though other options exist? Since her mind and body are also at risk, and it's her body to decide what to do with, should she be allowed to kill another to save herself from harm?

If it's ok because the fetus doesn't know or feel what's happening, then if the loony woman is knocked unconscious before she dies, does that change things and make it ok since she won't feel or know that her existence was ended?

The difference is... In this manslaughter case there are two adults, they don't require biological ties to survive, but rather financial and social ones... And neither individual has the rights to dictate the terms of the body of the other individual.
The fact that laws may be broken that may result in death is entirely redundant, that's just a side effect of the ordeal.

At the end of the day... Even if the fetus could feel, could understand what is happening... Is moot. They don't have full autonomous control over the mothers body and thus don't get the right to dictate the terms.

Now if a woman is unconscious, she is unable to provide consent, thus the decision will fall towards next of kin, which would likely be the partner or family member.
There has been instances where a woman has been rendered "dead" but clinically kept alive for the sake of an unborn child as the partner provided consent on her behalf.

EricHiggin said:

How many of those countries went full blown socialist? How many have been even partially socialist for a long time if not their entire existence? How many were capitalist before? How much stronger do countries become the more socialism you implement?

If war ever comes to Norway, NZ, or Aus, how well is socialism going to help protect them? How is America easily able to protect itself, as well as much of the rest of the world?

War is always happening. Australia cannot ever be invaded because of how vast the continent is... And how inhospitable the geography/environment is, it would be a logistical nightmare.

America can protect itself thanks to it's strong economic might... And strong alliances.
However... Russia during the cold war was able to achieve the same despite it's very strong socialist underpinnings before it's collapse.

China is leveraging both socialist ideas and capitalism and will likely overthrow the USA fairly soon as the largest power on Earth.

Socialism isn't actually a bad thing, it's a group of fundamental ideas... And can actually work really well for any modern capitalistic democracy... We don't have some of the highest standards of living in Australia for nothing you know.