At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

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the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

you think being able to distinguish between men and women is something that needs to be validated by an expert?

my question is how can you be a feminist when your perception of what a woman is boils down to whether the person in question tells you they are a woman or not... in case you didn't know that's what the "experts" supporting this nonsense are claiming

How do you distinguish gender?  
For pretty much any rule you could make, you could find exceptions. 

People with XX chromosome sometimes have penises.  

People with penises sometimes have female parts.  

So chromosomes, and penises don't work 100% of the time.  

I prefer letting people decide for themselves.  

John2290 said:

Follow the money, the experts are often funded by pharma companies who stand to gain massively, these treatments cost a substantial amount with various drugs. You wp6uln't trust experts to say Roubd up or cigerettes isn't carcinogenic, would you?

Experts fuck up ALL the time. Look up lobotomies, Thalidomide or hell just watch Dallas buyers club. 

John2290 said:

When he says we won't see the reaults of this for another 10 to 15 years is so true. This is the Thalidomide of our generation and we are going to look back at this as such a mistake on humanity, twenty years from now there will be tens of thousands of people in an awful state calling out the abusers like this guy, a very large net is being cast for a smal percent of kids that this will benifet. 

Gender is a social construct once you gets the semantics right and use sex to refer to men and women but what happens when the contruct becomes a terrible threat to children, I guess we will find out in a decade or two when the are old enough to speak for themselves and question why this was done to them. 

I am sure that there are a small number of people that fit into the categories that you've been talking about throughout this thread.  I am sure there is a mother out there somewhere who wishes she had a daughter and convinced her son, he was supposed to be a girl, just like there are mothers out there that try convincing their kid that they are sick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dee_Dee_Blanchard

If there were cases like that I would 100% agree that it is child abuse.  

But, I don't believe though that there is a large number of cases where this is happening.  Just like I'm not convinced that there are 100's of cases like Blanchard above.  

There are people out there that are genuinely transgender.  They weren't told they were by anyone.  They weren't convinced they were by their parents.  The opposite, they told everyone else they were. 

Science has gotten a lot better, even over the past 30 years to figure out how to prevent abuses from conflicts of interest. 

"People with XX chromosome sometimes have penises.  

People with penises sometimes have female parts.  

So chromosomes, and penises don't work 100% of the time. "

some people are blind do we then have to stop calling eyes organs used for seeing?

categories are never 100% perfect, no biologist would ever make that argument, but that doesn't mean that we just throw away categories as a result, never mind the fact that you aren't going to stop people fro categorising things automatically anyway

"How do you distinguish gender? "

sex organs/appearance as everyone does

"I prefer letting people decide for themselves.  "

are you a feminist?