Hypocrisy on Abortion?

[JWeinCom]

o_O.Q said:

JWeinCom said:

1.  I'm confused.  You seem to be indicating that you are pro-choice, and that you do not think of a fetus as a parasite.  Yet, you're also saying it's not possible to be pro choice without thinking of a fetus as a parasite.  Those two things directly contradict themselves.

2.  You're just wrong on metaphors.  Metaphors are by definition figurative, not just any comparison.  Two is greater than one is not a metaphor.  A clementine is just like a small orange is not a simile or a metaphor.  They're tatements and  literal comparisons.   

And you can use "is" in a metaphor.  It is raining cats and dogs, her body is a wonderland, this room is a pigsty, this relationship is a roller coaster, this classroom is a zoo, Brock Lesnar is a beast, he is a machine, she is an angel, the Yankees are on fire, the Jet's owner is a clown,  she's a maneater, my boss is a pig, that car is a lemon, etc etc.  All metaphors, all using some form of is.

If you think something is metaphorical just because it uses like, or literal just because it uses is, you're mistaken.  

3.  I never said my point of view is that people don't care.  My point of view it that they have a choice.  They do not have to engage in any particular activity as a direct result of a UBI increase or any other tax.  A ban on abortion does force a pregnant woman to gestate a baby.  Just one of the many ways these two situations are incongruous.  

 

" Yet, you're also saying it's not possible to be pro choice without thinking of a fetus as a parasite."

can you quote me directly where i said that?

"All metaphors, all using some form of is."

and none are declaring one thing to be equal to another which is what i said

"on the other hand to say something "is" something else is to equate the two"

"If you think something is metaphorical just because it uses like, or literal just because it uses is, you're mistaken. "

some reading comprehension here would go a long way

up to now i still don't see how you can seriously argue that "a foetus is just like a parasite" is a literal statement

"My point of view it that they have a choice."

people have a choice when it comes to paying taxes? how do you get out of it?

"They do not have to engage in any particular activity as a direct result of a UBI increase or any other tax. "

so if no one has to pay taxes how will you get your social programs funded?

"A ban on abortion does force a pregnant woman to gestate a baby."

almost like how people are forced to work more when taxes are increased

1. "can you quote me directly where i said that?"

Yes.  "

o_O.Q said: 

" My point was that you can be pro choice and not think of a baby as a parasite. You raised your question in response to that. "

i don't think its unreasonable to ask what motivates someone to kill an unborn baby

"You've just demonstrated that it is possible to be pro-choice and not think of a baby as a parasite.  Is that agreed upon?"

no i don't think that's a good way to assess this"

I asked you if you can be pro choice and not think of a baby as a parasite.  Your answer was no.  If you'd like to clarify what you said go for it, but if you can be pro choice and not think of a baby as a parasite, your whole argument fails.

2. "and none are declaring one thing to be equal to another which is what i said"

Yes... very good.  You can indeed use is without equating things.  Which was exactly the point I was making.  Just like you can use the phrase just like while being literal (as I just did).  

You have to look at the context. 

3. "some reading comprehension here would go a long way

up to now i still don't see how you can seriously argue that "a foetus is just like a parasite" is a literal statement"

That sentence does not appear anywhere up until now.  And I have no idea whether that should be taken to be literally or figuratively.  I would need more context to what they were saying.  I've given you examples where just like denotes a literal comparison or a figurative.  I'm sorry, but you just don't have a firm grasp on this. 

4.  "people have a choice when it comes to paying taxes? how do you get out of it?"

Never said that.  This is what happens when you pull one sentence out of a paragraph without context.  

5. "almost like how people are forced to work more when taxes are increased"

No they're not.  They can choose whether or not they want to work more hours.  

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 19 May 2019