Hypocrisy on Abortion?

[o_O.Q]

tsogud said:

o_O.Q said:

"I asked why do you think that way, why do you think mother's should be able to have abortions."

you didn't ask me this initially, but regardless i believe people should be as free in societies as we can possibly make them, that goes for both men and women

i don't like the idea of unborn children being killed but i accept that its not my right to police other people's behavior

" And I'm going to add if you are pro-choice why make a thread that's obviously skewed and flawed from the start, anybody who has any simple concept of science would realize this and not even post such a flawed comparison."

can you explain to me rationally how anything i've said is unscientific?

"A group of cells isn't life, it isn't a person. A miscarriage up to 8 weeks of pregnancy is indistinguishable to a heavy period."

bacteria are life and a culture of bacteria is even less significant in appearance to a period... do you at least have a fleeting understanding of why this is an incredibly stupid argument?

"The "person" you think is a person isn't actually one according to scientific evidence and facts."

it would be awesome if you actually started posting some lol

"People become wealthy by the people"

so why aren't you and all the other people demanding that other people give you free stuff rich?

"we give them extreme wealth so in return they should give a portion back to us so we all can have a better life."

you gave who wealth? are you talking about paying for products? or paying for entertainment? you understand of course that these are transactions right?

as in you are not "giving", the other person is offering something you perceive to have a sufficient value for you to exchange a certain amount of money for

but regardless you do understand of course that most of the products you use come from the labour of much poorer people in inda, china, africa etc right? how much of your wealth have you donated to improving conditions in those countries?

or do your principles only apply to other people and not you?

if you are living in america and have time to be a video games enthusiast then you really shouldn't be making an argument as if you are part of "the poor"

" Their wealth isn't being taken away, just a portion would be redistributed to the population to help society."

if they have an obligation to give some of their resources to people who are less fortunate than they are why does this not also apply with pregnant women in your view? unborn babies will literally die if mothers refuse to share some of their resources with them

its kind of inconsistent to argue "well these people over here need to give their resources to these other people because otherwise they'll die" but then say "well these people over here don't need to give their resources to these other people and we'll just let those people die"

"Keep in mind we're hypothetically talking about multi-billionaires here"

with regards to what? taxation? so you don't want to pay taxes?

This going to be my last post in this thread because your rhetoric has made it clear to me that you're a person that use an incredible amount of logical fallacies and believes they are never wrong even when presented with facts. I argue to try and change humble minds to believe what is right and factual, I don't argue with prideful people who won't admit when they are wrong, and in this case you are most definitely wrong, and I also don't argue with people who love arguing for the sake of arguing which you clearly have represented here. I have better things to do with my time. You don't even have to read the rest of my post because I most certainly won't read your, no doubt, willfully ignorant response. 

I did ask you that first question in my very first post I asked "And why?" meaning "and why do you believe this?" You didn't even understand a simple question like that, it's amazing

What you're saying is unscientific because if you actually researched what you're arguing about you'd come to the conclusion that a zygote isn't a conscious human life and cannot exist outside the womb and thus CANNOT be classified as a person which you have said multiple times.

Bacteria is life, you are correct but nobody's arguing that point or even brought it up. You are wrong though in saying that bacteria is less significant than a zygote, even in appearance. Do you realize what bacteria is, what it does and what it looks like? Obviously you don't because you're comparing the two but like I said a little research goes a long way. I brought up the miscarriage point because I thought you'd be smart enough to deduce what I was meaning but I'll spell it out for you. The miscarriage illustrates that even our body doesn't consider this zygote a person, it doesn't even have a heartbeat. The cells are grouping together to eventually form a person with a heart and a brain -that's what ultrasounds pick up, the electrical activity or pulsing of the cells forming- but naturally that's not always a guarantee and the zygote is aborted from the body. So should we impose consequences on women who have miscarriages then? Absolutely not.

Being or getting rich isn't that cut and dry, it's incredibly helpful and almost necessary that you be born in a certain higher socioeconomic class or a relatively free country to be rich and it's incredibly helpful if you're a white cis male. These things are inter-sectional and creating the logical fallacy of oversimplifying it is also wrong. It's all these social issues combined that creates this huge gap from the rich and the poor.

Technically I'm poor in the U.S. but I'd be rich somewhere else, and I see what you're trying to say but that's neither here nor there. Most democrats and all progressives (which I am) support labor laws that help these poor individuals in these poorer countries. So I don't see how that argument has anything to do with anything. That's like saying "oh so you want to improve society? But you participate in society. Aha!" Well yeah, duh, of course but that doesn't mean I like the way society is now.  When it comes to transactions I am sort of talking about that but there are other bigger issues and things people get rich off of like war, there a many people who make an incredible amount of money off of war. Also there are large amounts of companies that use poor laborers in poorer countries and take advantage of them to make huge profits and it's wrong. Just so we're clear I'm not really just talking about goods, if that's what you think then you have a narrow, naive view of how people get rich.

Again you're making the fundamentally flawed claim that a zygote is a person based on no scientific evidence or facts whatsoever. You're basing your whole argument around your feeling that it's a person, when in fact it's not. The fact of the matter is that a zygote isn't a person and you don't want to accept that for some reason that you're not disclosing. It's not a person to begin with so you can't make your comparison and so the bases of your comparison is erroneous and wrong. And so what I am saying isn't hypocritical based on facts. I wouldn't let a person die but a zygote isn't a person.

I believe everyone should be taxed in order to run our society but the wealthiest should be taxed more and also they should not be given breaks that even working class people don't get.

""And why?" meaning "and why do you believe this?" You didn't even understand a simple question like that, it's amazing"

do you struggle to understand the english language or something?... are you incapable of understanding that i answered your question from the very beginning?

""Before I tell you why you're wrong OP answer me this, are you pro-choice or anti-choice and why?"

i actually think women should be free to murder their unborn children"

"What you're saying is unscientific because if you actually researched what you're arguing about you'd come to the conclusion that a zygote isn't a conscious human life and cannot exist outside the womb and thus CANNOT be classified as a person which you have said multiple times."

point out for me where i've argued that

"Bacteria is life, you are correct but nobody's arguing that point or even brought it up."

"A group of cells isn't life, it isn't a person. A miscarriage up to 8 weeks of pregnancy is indistinguishable to a heavy period."

"he miscarriage illustrates that even our body doesn't consider this zygote a person"

a point i never argued lol but ok

" it's incredibly helpful if you're a white cis male. "

can you go into more detail on this point and are you a white cis male yourself?

"But you participate in society. Aha!" Well yeah, duh, of course but that doesn't mean I like the way society is now."

how would you change it? let me guess socialism right? revolution?

"Also there are large amounts of companies that use poor laborers in poorer countries and take advantage of them to make huge profits and it's wrong."

your purchase of the computer, video game console and cell phone you are using to spread your virtuous messages has directly funded the companies you are referring to... with that being said how can i take anything you are saying here seriously?

" Just so we're clear I'm not really just talking about goods, if that's what you think then you have a narrow, naive view of how people get rich."

do tell i'm here to learn from you

"Again you're making the fundamentally flawed claim that a zygote is a person"

can you point out where i've said so?

"It's not a person to begin with so you can't make your comparison and so the bases of your comparison is erroneous and wrong. "

that's a fair argument actually i have compared unborn babies needing resources to poor people needing resources, you're right

"a zygote isn't a conscious human life and cannot exist outside the womb and thus CANNOT be classified as a person"

taking this comment into consideration are you of the view that an unborn baby at 7 months is fair game also since it cannot exist outside of the womb and cannot be classified as a person?

"I believe everyone should be taxed in order to run our society"

so you are in favour of restricting the bodily autonomy of people in a society, just not for unborn babies?