Hypocrisy on Abortion?

[o_O.Q]

JWeinCom said:

o_O.Q said:

" My point was that you can be pro choice and not think of a baby as a parasite. You raised your question in response to that. "

i don't think its unreasonable to ask what motivates someone to kill an unborn baby

"You've just demonstrated that it is possible to be pro-choice and not think of a baby as a parasite.  Is that agreed upon?"

no i don't think that's a good way to assess this

this is about perspectives, specifically the perspective of someone who has a baby inside of them and wants that baby dead

i personally could not bring myself to kill the baby if i was in that position, but as i've said its not my right to police the actions of someone else

that speaks in no way to the perspective of someone else that may behave differently and choose to kill the baby, its the perspective of that person that i'm asking about not mine

"The phrase just like does not itself indicate if something is a simile or literal."

as far as i know it does

if you are saying something is "just like" something else you are doing a comparison, on the other hand to say something "is" something else is to equate the two

"Regardless of whether or not you think they're wrong, the writers clearly are making the literal argument. "

well as i've said i disagree since they used "just like"

"No, it's a simile.  Similes use the word like or as.  Metaphors don't."

oh ok haven't done school level english for a few years so i suppose i've forgotten the difference but it pretty much seems like you've conceded that its not literal regardless

"You understand if I say a clementine is just like a small orange I am being literal right?  Just like doesn't determine anything. "

you are doing a comparison that's the difference and that's what makes it either metaphorical or a simile

"You don't have to work more if taxes are raised.  It's entirely up to you whether or not it's important to keep the same baseline"

yes that's true, but i think its fairly obvious that someone who starts out middle class wants to stay middle class, i don't think that's a rare position to take... so i have to wonder why you'd seemingly pretend as if people are cool with allowing their standard of living to slide

"Especially if you're imagining a UBI that would actually meet everyone's basic needs.  This is not forcing anyone to use their body in any particular way that they find objectionable. That is a monumental difference that undermines any claim of hypocrisy."

well i suppose if you're coming at this from the point of view that people don't care if their standard of living falls then yeah i suppose you'd have a point

1.  I'm confused.  You seem to be indicating that you are pro-choice, and that you do not think of a fetus as a parasite.  Yet, you're also saying it's not possible to be pro choice without thinking of a fetus as a parasite.  Those two things directly contradict themselves.

2.  You're just wrong on metaphors.  Metaphors are by definition figurative, not just any comparison.  Two is greater than one is not a metaphor.  A clementine is just like a small orange is not a simile or a metaphor.  They're tatements and  literal comparisons.   

And you can use "is" in a metaphor.  It is raining cats and dogs, her body is a wonderland, this room is a pigsty, this relationship is a roller coaster, this classroom is a zoo, Brock Lesnar is a beast, he is a machine, she is an angel, the Yankees are on fire, the Jet's owner is a clown,  she's a maneater, my boss is a pig, that car is a lemon, etc etc.  All metaphors, all using some form of is.

If you think something is metaphorical just because it uses like, or literal just because it uses is, you're mistaken.  

3.  I never said my point of view is that people don't care.  My point of view it that they have a choice.  They do not have to engage in any particular activity as a direct result of a UBI increase or any other tax.  A ban on abortion does force a pregnant woman to gestate a baby.  Just one of the many ways these two situations are incongruous.  

 

" Yet, you're also saying it's not possible to be pro choice without thinking of a fetus as a parasite."

can you quote me directly where i said that?

"All metaphors, all using some form of is."

and none are declaring one thing to be equal to another which is what i said

"on the other hand to say something "is" something else is to equate the two"

"If you think something is metaphorical just because it uses like, or literal just because it uses is, you're mistaken. "

some reading comprehension here would go a long way

up to now i still don't see how you can seriously argue that "a foetus is just like a parasite" is a literal statement

"My point of view it that they have a choice."

people have a choice when it comes to paying taxes? how do you get out of it?

"They do not have to engage in any particular activity as a direct result of a UBI increase or any other tax. "

so if no one has to pay taxes how will you get your social programs funded?

"A ban on abortion does force a pregnant woman to gestate a baby."

almost like how people are forced to work more when taxes are increased