Hypocrisy on Abortion?

[o_O.Q]

JWeinCom said:

o_O.Q said:

"So, you've answered your own question and demonstrated that supporting a woman's right to have an abortion does not necessitate thinking of a baby as a parasite.  "

i told you that the comparisons to parasites was not the central point i was making, but i can't help but notice that you are refusing to answer my question

"why are unborn babies killed?"

why don't you want to go there?

" just like a parasite does to its host."  This is clearly not a metaphorical comparison."

you don't think someone using "just like" is speaking metaphorically?

and regardless if she had said explicitly that "babies are parasites" it does not change the fact that the word parasite is used as a biological classification for certain species

"Fits the fetal mode of growth precisely" does not mean it is metaphorically like a parasite it means it is literally doing what a parasite does"

ok lets ignore her framing her whole line of argumentation with "just like" for a second, you understand of course that a metaphor can contain direct references to its subject and still be a metaphor?

if i say "the boat steered just like a fish, the ruder allowing the boat to turn just as precisely as the fins on a fish" you understand that this is a metaphor right?

"I have no idea what you're trying to get at with the workplace statistics or use of body at work.  Would a UBI force me to work a particular job?"

obviously if taxes are raised then people will have to work more time to reach the same baseline they would have previously

"Does it limit my choice of jobs to ones that are particularly risky?"

its not entirely about risk, the point i'm making is that if more time has to be spent working then that's a restriction of bodily autonomy

"Work involves using your body in a potentially risky way with or without a UBI.  "

agreed

1. My point was that you can be pro choice and not think of a baby as a parasite. You raised your question in response to that.  Then you yourself just demonstrated that point.  I'm not answering the question because it's irrelevant to the point, and you're trying to divert.  You've just demonstrated that it is possible to be pro-choice and not think of a baby as a parasite.  Is that agreed upon?  Answer that and I'll be happy to respond to your question.

2.  The phrase just like does not itself indicate if something is a simile or literal.  I could use it in a literal sense, "those two twins look just like each other", "these taste just like McDonald's fries", "I suspect you copied your homework because it looks just like Jamie's" and so on.  Or  I could use it in a simile sense "she's just like a ray of sunshine".  It goes either way. 

Phrases like "Fits the fetal mode of growth precisely" though are entirely unambiguous.  Regardless of whether or not you think they're wrong, the writers clearly are making the literal argument.  

3. "if i say "the boat steered just like a fish, the ruder allowing the boat to turn just as precisely as the fins on a fish" you understand that this is a metaphor right?"

No, it's a simile.  Similes use the word like or as.  Metaphors don't.  You understand if I say a clementine is just like a small orange I am being literal right?  Just like doesn't determine anything.  

4.  You don't have to work more if taxes are raised.  It's entirely up to you whether or not it's important to keep the same baseline, or in what type of job you would do so.  Especially if you're imagining a UBI that would actually meet everyone's basic needs.  This is not forcing anyone to use their body in any particular way that they find objectionable.  That is a monumental difference that undermines any claim of hypocrisy.

" My point was that you can be pro choice and not think of a baby as a parasite. You raised your question in response to that. "

i don't think its unreasonable to ask what motivates someone to kill an unborn baby

"You've just demonstrated that it is possible to be pro-choice and not think of a baby as a parasite.  Is that agreed upon?"

no i don't think that's a good way to assess this

this is about perspectives, specifically the perspective of someone who has a baby inside of them and wants that baby dead

i personally could not bring myself to kill the baby if i was in that position, but as i've said its not my right to police the actions of someone else

that speaks in no way to the perspective of someone else that may behave differently and choose to kill the baby, its the perspective of that person that i'm asking about not mine

"The phrase just like does not itself indicate if something is a simile or literal."

as far as i know it does

if you are saying something is "just like" something else you are doing a comparison, on the other hand to say something "is" something else is to equate the two

"Regardless of whether or not you think they're wrong, the writers clearly are making the literal argument. "

well as i've said i disagree since they used "just like"

"No, it's a simile.  Similes use the word like or as.  Metaphors don't."

oh ok haven't done school level english for a few years so i suppose i've forgotten the difference but it pretty much seems like you've conceded that its not literal regardless

"You understand if I say a clementine is just like a small orange I am being literal right?  Just like doesn't determine anything. "

you are doing a comparison that's the difference and that's what makes it either metaphorical or a simile

"You don't have to work more if taxes are raised.  It's entirely up to you whether or not it's important to keep the same baseline"

yes that's true, but i think its fairly obvious that someone who starts out middle class wants to stay middle class, i don't think that's a rare position to take... so i have to wonder why you'd seemingly pretend as if people are cool with allowing their standard of living to slide

"Especially if you're imagining a UBI that would actually meet everyone's basic needs.  This is not forcing anyone to use their body in any particular way that they find objectionable. That is a monumental difference that undermines any claim of hypocrisy."

well i suppose if you're coming at this from the point of view that people don't care if their standard of living falls then yeah i suppose you'd have a point