Hypocrisy on Abortion?

[o_O.Q]

JWeinCom said:

o_O.Q said:

"Yes, I deny that.  I don't believe that most democrats support UBI in the first place."

which isn't relevant 

"i'm pretty sure that the vast majority of democrats in support of ubi"

"And it's very possible to support abortion without thinking of a fetus as a parasite."

why are unborn babies killed?

"Which you made even more clear.  The people you quoted above (especially the first one) are not saying that fetuses are metaphorically parasites, they are saying that they are literally parasites."

do you understand what "literally" and "parasite" mean?  it doesn't seem so, under no context could a baby literally be a parasite.. the word "parasite" is a biological classification for certain species

"You're taking positions espoused by some democrats and applying them to all.  "

even though i narrowed my scope down to democrats who support ubi and abortion simultaneously?

"One restricts bodily autonomy, one does not (redistributing my income does not limit what I can do with my body)."

"One involves something growing in someone's body, one does not."

what line of work are you in where you don't have to use your body at all?

"One poses significant health risks, to one party and death to the other, one does not. "

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2013/oct/30/occupational-hazards-health-and-safety-death-statistics

"Which jobs have a higher risk of injury or even death? The latest statistics show that 1.1 million Britons suffer from a work-related illness, costing society almost £14 billion."

you have such a narrow perspective on this that its alarming

"And again, these arguments are not being put forth by the same people."

can you name a mainstream democrat in support of ubi who does not support abortion?

"I get the weak analogy that's being made"

its not really weak at all but i understand why you feel the need to classify it that way

1. "And it's very possible to support abortion without thinking of a fetus as a parasite."

why are unborn babies killed?

"you didn't ask me this initially, but regardless i believe people should be as free in societies as we can possibly make them, that goes for both men and women

i don't like the idea of unborn children being killed but i accept that its not my right to police other people's behavior"

That's your stance on abortion.  You are pro choice, without believing a baby is a parasite.  So, you've answered your own question and demonstrated that supporting a woman's right to have an abortion does not necessitate thinking of a baby as a parasite.  

2. "In fact, the biological definition of "parasite" fits the fetal mode of growth precisely, especially since pregnancy causes a major upset to a woman's body, just like a parasite does to its host."  This is clearly not a metaphorical comparison.  "Fits the fetal mode of growth precisely" does not mean it is metaphorically like a parasite it means it is literally doing what a parasite does, and thus is a parasite.  You may not agree with that, but that's the argument being made.

3.  I have no idea what you're trying to get at with the workplace statistics or use of body at work.  Would a UBI force me to work a particular job?  Does it limit my choice of jobs to ones that are particularly risky?  Work involves using your body in a potentially risky way with or without a UBI.  

"So, you've answered your own question and demonstrated that supporting a woman's right to have an abortion does not necessitate thinking of a baby as a parasite.  "

i told you that the comparisons to parasites was not the central point i was making, but i can't help but notice that you are refusing to answer my question

"why are unborn babies killed?"

why don't you want to go there?

" just like a parasite does to its host."  This is clearly not a metaphorical comparison."

you don't think someone using "just like" is speaking metaphorically?

and regardless if she had said explicitly that "babies are parasites" it does not change the fact that the word parasite is used as a biological classification for certain species

"Fits the fetal mode of growth precisely" does not mean it is metaphorically like a parasite it means it is literally doing what a parasite does"

ok lets ignore her framing her whole line of argumentation with "just like" for a second, you understand of course that a metaphor can contain direct references to its subject and still be a metaphor?

if i say "the boat steered just like a fish, the ruder allowing the boat to turn just as precisely as the fins on a fish" you understand that this is a metaphor right?

"I have no idea what you're trying to get at with the workplace statistics or use of body at work.  Would a UBI force me to work a particular job?"

obviously if taxes are raised then people will have to work more time to reach the same baseline they would have previously

"Does it limit my choice of jobs to ones that are particularly risky?"

its not entirely about risk, the point i'm making is that if more time has to be spent working then that's a restriction of bodily autonomy

"Work involves using your body in a potentially risky way with or without a UBI.  "

agreed