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Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes let's ignore the plenty of reports showing it was about 50%, the plethora of people that had over 6 X360 purchased...

So well designed that half failed and took several revision to correct.

Well designed. But shit quality control.
It was very much rushed out the door, but the entire philosophy of the devices design was top notch. - It's where Microsoft showed it could actually be competent in hardware design... Where-as Sony had already been proving that for decades prior.

But issues will crop up in any device, the PS1 and PS2 had their share of hardware issues, mostly disk-drive related.
Sony also had exploding notebook batteries at one point... Samsung had the explosive Galaxy Note 7... These things can slip past quality control even with stringent testing regardless of manufacturer.

As consumers we are lucky that information regarding these facets can be readily accessed so we can make informed purchasing decisions when it comes to purchasing time.

thismeintiel said:

It is poorly designed when you have over a 33% failure and have to change multiple chipsets before the thing stops overheating and failing. Doesn't matter how pleasant it is to look at when it won't turn on anymore.

Well. The Playstation 3 wasn't immune to hardware failures either. The YLOD was a fairly common issue especially with the launch units where numbers like 20-50% were being thrown around at one point. (Although I am unable to find anything empirical, just that it was a common thing.)

Anything man-made is prone to fail, it's only a matter of time... But we need to give criticism and credit where it's due.

thismeintiel said:

And no, the DVD drive was completely their fault if they didn't test it. That also doesn't hold water when every model had the same problem, instead of fixing it with the first revision. 

The drive itself was an off-the-shelf OEM drive anyway. It slipped past quality control, I assume they thought it would be all A-OK considering the drive was already used in other markets in other devices.

Am I excusing Microsoft for their choice? No. They should have chosen better, they should have spent more time doing Quality-testing, the console is still well designed though with some pretty good decisions made on the components and aesthetics... The engineers just weren't given enough time.

thismeintiel said:

The fact is, MS didn't care. They wanted to be out first and they wanted to be cheaper. So, they either skipped a lot of testing that should have happened or ignored problems discovered by those tests, using cheaper parts. You can't give them a pass on the 360 when it's their 2nd console and their first was much more reliable.

You can bet Microsoft cared. Especially when the repair bill started to end up in the Billions.

Some of the issues like the solder was because of industry trends to be "greener" and less "toxic". - The PC had already been moving in that direction for a long time prior to the Xbox 360's launch, so assumptions were probably made on it's viability rather than spending the months of testing required.

In the end... The lessons learned with the Xbox 360's hardware translated over to the Xbox One, which from a hardware reliability standpoint is the ducks nuts, cooling, power delivery and so on is pretty much over-engineered and top notch... In many aspects superior to the base Playstation 4. - Despite the fact that the Playstation 4 was cheaper and a more powerful device and superior in every other area.

Sorry Pema, I regards your PC knowledge very highly but QUALITY is part of design. So if something is of very bad reliability (one aspect of quality) it can't be said to be very well designed. You can say that it was a great concept or that the aesthetic was great, you can say it was very well balanced, etc. But when you talk about the whole product being well designed that would be wrong. Because as much as there are real data to compare performance between system that you use to prove when people are saying wrong stuff on comparison there are data to show the system are not well designed.

And yes PS3 also had a much higher than standard failure rate, but X360 overshadowed it by many miles.



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