At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[dharh]

NightlyPoe said:

1.  These are scientists that we're talking about.  And anyone who says otherwise gets shouted down.

2.  Yes, I'm aware science is a process.  But science shouldn't be treated as pure, the social sciences least of all.  The goal at the moment isn't to find the truth, it's to confirm the theory.  Kick the can down the road a few years when the panic subsides and today's science that we trust is going to seem wacky like it usually does for hot-button issues.

4.  No, I'm not at all.  If you'd listen to what I'm saying, it's not that these people should suck it up and live by the same gender norms that they're born with.  It's that they should live freely and accept the facts of their birth as such.  I don't see the two as mutually exclusive

As for society treating them like shit, that's its own problem.  However, I would also contend that it would help if they stopped trying to force people to believe something untrue.  As long as saying something accurate puts someone on the path to suicide, then we've hit a basic problem that not everyone is going to go along with the program.  Trying to tell people merely speaking the truth that they're killing people is not helpful.

6.  No.  I'm saying the solution of simply calling a transitioned man a man is simplistic.  What I'm advocating is more difficult.  Holding two thoughts in one's head at the same time and finding peace with both.  That gender dysphoria is real, that it's okay to live the life as a man or woman because that's how they're mental makeup works, but understand that it's also okay that sex is immutable and come to terms with that as well.

7.  There is a lot of room between abuse and the blind acceptance of radical dogma on the subject.

1) Can you please cite these scientists. I can't find much of any science about what you are talking about.

2) Science is having a theory and trying to disprove it. Sure scientists get this wrong sometimes, but it's the best we got, and more often than not does actually a pretty good dang job. You claim 'the truth', but your truth is pretty narrow. Call a person based on their genitals and to hell with how much that may hurt them.

4) 'accept the facts of their birth' is pretty much sucking it up and conforming to what society at large wants.

Again your 'truth' is just a narrow view of genital biology. The very nature of imposing a gender on someone who doesn't want that is society treating them like shit, it is not its own problem. Telling people to stop wanting to be labeled what they want to be labeled is not helpful.

6) Sex is not immutable. There is no truth in that.

7) I would claim that what you are espousing is dogma. 'Radical' dogma vs. 'Societal'/'Religious' dogma.

Last edited by dharh - on 20 April 2019