At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

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Torillian said:

eva01beserk said:

I dint mean that there are more trans now, I mean that its on everybody mind cuz its the hot topic. And I never claimed you said anything about clothes. It was an obvious hyperbole I made. 

Dint you just admit just a few post before that you agree with the at least 65% of kids regretting to be trans when they grow up? Then you also agreed to them being high on the suicide scale. Because of other people, thats debatable. But what if these kids grow up seriously confused cuz at 3 they made the wrong choice and you went with it? All the pain that people believe that trans go through would have happened at prepubescent age where no harm would occur. But if they regret the process at the teenage years after they form they behavior and manners and peoples expectation, its a lot harder to adjust. And you accepted that 65% of people regret the decision dint you? Would you take a life altering decision with a 2/3 fail rate from the word of a 3 year old who just learned how to talk? 

65% of kids go back to Cis, that isn't the same as regretting you were trans, that's just deciding you aren't. 

I agreed to them being high and then showed you data saying that if they are supported in their decisions (exactly what I've been advocating for this entire time) that they aren't any higher than their peers. 

What if the kid grows up seriously confused because they made the right choice and you decided to enforce what you wanted on them instead of listening to their feelings? 

And again, I ask what you propose as a solution then? Because my position is that you support the kid in whatever they decide and let them wear what they want and they can figure out things as they move on. You don't enforce either side, you support them in their own decisions. So in what way is that a life altering decision? You telling me that letting my 3 year old boy where a dress if he feels like it instead of enforcing the gender I think he is on him is worse? How so? 

So a kid says its trans at a super young age and they are born that way, being older and they want to go back is just a decision they made. Got it.

And somebody showed you research that transitioning does not fix the underline issue and trans are still just as unhappy and is the main reason for the high suicide rate. So its still much higher than the peers who have not had any issues.

Thats an easy one. adults make the wrong choice all the time. But if we have at least 65% chance of being correct, ill take the chance. But its higher than that, just going by what you are willing to cede. 

I just told you that it has a higher chance to be wrong. Its easier to just enforce what they are born as. A 2-3 year old wont cry cuz it wants to wear a dress. Once the kid is a bit older, maybe 8-10 then they have more sense of what they are talking about. and its still early enough to do any adjustments.