Animal Liberation Now!!

[DonFerrari]

Immersiveunreality said:

DonFerrari said:

Yes that is true, but have nothing to do with the point vegan try to make on people not eating meat because of having to kill related to moral or ethics. They would just eat less because of cost and efficiency.

People also had less clothing and tools when they had to make it themselves or buy from people that hand made it.

People would eat less just because it would take more work to do it.

People in cities would also eat less meat if they had less available income so let's reduce wages? People would use less technology and be happier on nature with less internet so let's ban internet outside of 5pm to 8pm. Human would use less clothing if they had to make it themselves.

It is almost a logical fallacy that human would eat less meat when having to kill the animal in any way isn't just because it is unpractical. It have nothing to do with moral or ethics on the less consumption.

First bolded:My point was that people buy the cheaper meat from less controlled areas because the controlled meats are pricier, so no reducing wages will make them stick with the cheap meats even more.

Second bolded: Yeah for myself technology does not equally compare to animals so its hard to see a valid comparison in that.

Third bolded: It has to do with alot of things and you make it look much more simple than it actually is,it has to do with moral and ethics and all of the rest,no need to think we behave like a collective mind and not as individuals.

Your point on cheap meat was on a different reply. My point is on saying that having to kill the cattle would reduce consumption because of the cost and time taken. Having less money would also make you eat less meat.

Sure animals and internet are different things, but when someone wants to legislate and intervene in other people choices they should also accept the opposite.

It really is simple. People eat meat because they like, they ate less when it was harder/more expensive, and eat more now that it is more affordable. It doesn't have to do with feeling guilty on killing the cattle. I would say I haven't met a vegan that became vegan because he was tired of having to kill cows to feed himself. Most would say "they got awaken due to a documentary, reading something or thinking about the poor animals... if you love dogs why do you eat pigs?". Usually the people that say they think by themselves instead of being part of the mass but will say exactly the same thing one another.

John2290 said:
@DonFerrari it isn't that bad here yet but it is painful to here that, we respect doctor's here in Ireland even if we complain when we are sick (mostly out of concern), the hate is directed to the establishment when it isn't working properly and not the individuals trying to make it work and we appreciate the tireless work farmers do all year round, however it is a job that is increasingly looked at as the lesser way of life and that scares the hair off my balls. It's a bit different as we all usually grow up on farms or near them here, the vast majority anywaymyself included and our cities don't grow all that much or at least very slowly as people often move back to the country at a certain age. The country always calls you home and respect must be given to the process that feeds everyone on this increasingly ludicrous world we live in.

Best of luck dealing with these nutbags in Brazil, dude.

I would say you have it good on cities usually not being to big and communing with the country.

I usually don't deal with them I just pretend they are white noise. At most I'll mock them with my friends. These type of people think that being well is a type of a crime and people that is rich should feel guilty instead of proud even if they were totally legit.

Immersiveunreality said:

DonFerrari said:

If people wants to discuss or live the moral, market also adapts, there is space for organic vegetable food that is much more expensive than regular one. So you can have independent party audit and certify the production (as jew and muslim demands for kosher and jalal, and we have several places in Brazil that abide and make a lot of money with it) and producers can sell it more expensive to who think this is an important point. You don't need government intervention for that.

Could be true yes,but if it is not existent already then what would trigger its existence without goverment interaction?

Popular need and demand.

Government doesn't require you to have several certifications to sell your goods, like ISO9001, still a lot of companies have them because customers push the need and want a product with a seal of quality. Similar to Nintendo Seal of Quality that was the assurance customers needed at the time to buy the games.

Government hardly solve anything, when you have a couple people trying to decide how 100 millions should live or do they will make very bad decision.