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BasilZero said:

vivster said:

You don't see Valve moneyhatting anything because they have a monopoly and anyone who doesn't release on it is fucked unless they have monetary incentives to not do so. That's not healthy either.

I think this separation of 1st party and 3rd party is inane in this day and age. 1st party exclusivity is just as artificial as 3rd party exclusivity. No one is stopping Sony or Nintendo to release their 1st party games on other platforms. Microsoft does it. The only reason they do it is because greed. Because they want to force people onto their stores(sound familiar?) and even worse, their hardware. I don't see how their greed is somehow ok while everyone else's isn't.

That’s not true at all. Minecraft was never on Steam. There’s tons of games that were successful without being on Steam such as league of legends, fortnite itself , etc

Oh, so it's easy then. You just have to be an international mega hit that's instantly played by hundreds of million of people to not be dependent on Steam. Well if it's that easy, I wonder why not everyone is doing the same?The only thing those examples show is that only in fringe cases it's possible to be successful if you're not releasing on Steam.

There’s also GOG where several titles get released as well so Steam isn’t a monopoly. 

Compare the volumes, GOG isn't even close to Steam's ubiquity.

Also Sony and Nintendo games are not 100% exclusive like they used to be - as some Sony published games are now on PC and Nintendo IPs are being used on mobile devices and that one Chinese computer tablet thing that emulates Wii games which was okay with Nintendo.

Fringe cases that are not the norm. Why are they not the norm? Because the console makers don't want it to be the norm, because greed.

Besides I still believe first party has some value and to a degree it exists on the PC platform for years.

I still find this separation of 1st party and 3rd party ridiculous. It's a stupid term that exists only because of consoles and has long lost actual meaning. Games are on many platforms now and have money streams coming in from all angles.

Valve games on Steam, Fortnite on EGS, Minecraft on the MS store, EA games on Origin, etc.

You will see that all but the most successful games are on Steam.

i mean your claim is like saying Playstation is a monopoly which is also false. 

I never said that anywhere. I consider the console market their own and they have 3 big players in there. Big players that have only become big because of artificial exclusivity.

If you wanna blame someone, blame the publishers - not the store.

That's what I do. You are saying that Epic is "moneyhatting", i.e. you put the blame on the store.

Again, I'm not a fan of any kind of exclusivity but if I have to take a slight inconvenience to fight a monopoly of asshats I'm glad to take it.