Climate change is inconsequential (because Peak Oil is a bigger issue)

[o_O.Q]

the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

"No.  But when most of humanity's progress has been done because of the climate's consistency, we should make sure the future is also optimal for progress. "

isn't the idea to hinder humanity's progress to reduce climate change?

No.

I don't know a single person advocating hindering humanities progress to fight climate change.  The idea is to make progress and figure out cleaner ways to do things.    

I've only ever heard this idea by climate skeptics who think the only way to fight climate change is by "living like cave men".  

It's ludicrous.  

o_O.Q said:

"Of course it's possible."

well seems to me like climate change is being used to push the argument that capitalism needs to end and we need to hinder what people can experiment with and invest in on their own

and obviously this precludes the idea that people privately can come up with solutions for these problems 

but if the motivation among many was to end that to begin with... well.. its not really surprising is it?

What.

Capitalism doesn't end with regulations.  On the contrary it's about ensuring that people are able to experiment and invest in things in the future.

  @bold, no it doesn't.

There are already such projects underway.  

https://www.climatecentral.org/news/first-commercial-co2-capture-plant-live-21494

https://www.gasworld.com/china-establishes-worlds-18th-ccs-facility/2015265.article

Even still it's hard to capture the carbon dioxide from a billion cars, facilities, etc.  

o_O.Q said:

"Everyone knows there are natural cycles of warming and cooling.  "

no not everyone

....

Everyone who knows anything about climate knows that natural cycles exist.  

o_O.Q said:

"You're basically arguing that "things were going to go bad anyway some time in the future, so why does it matter?"  "

no that was not my argument, i'm asking when do we expect the "natural" warming to occur and what are we going to do about it

i've honestly never heard that discussed in all of this

https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little-ice-age-medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm

"Scientists have shown that CO₂ and climate moved in lock-step throughout the Pleistoceneice ages. The ice ages were actually many pulses of cold glacial phases interspersed with warmer interglacials. These pulses had a distinct regularity caused by wobbles in Earth’s orbit around the Sun (Milankovitch cycles). When Earth’s orbit reduced the intensity of sunlight in the northern hemisphere, the Earth went into a glacial phase. When the orbital cycle brought increased the intensity of insolation in the northern hemisphere, ice sheets melted and we went into a warm interglacial. Because warmer oceans can dissolve less CO₂, the CO₂ levels see-sawed extremely closely with Earth’s temperature. It was a slow pace of change, taking tens to hundreds of thousands of years, and yes as the myth states, in the last million years the biggest orbit-induced cycles were every 100,000 years.

But we know these orbital changes are not behind today's global warming. In fact our orbit dictates we should be cooling now, not warming."

The Earth was indeed cooling over the last 6,000 years due to Earth's orbit, heading into the next glacial phase scheduled for about the year 3500 AD. But all that changed when we got to the industrial era. Global temperatures departed from that cooling trend, and instead rose parallel with our greenhouse gas emissions.The logic of "this was going to happen anyway"

"I don't know a single person advocating hindering humanities progress to fight climate change."

i've been seeing a lot of calls to confiscate cars for example, but i'm not going to bother looking that stuff up now

"Capitalism doesn't end with regulations."

that's not what i'm talking about, i'm talking about people who are using this situation as a way to legitimise their push to end capitalism and they are an increasing presense

"The Earth was indeed cooling over the last 6,000 years due to Earth's orbit, heading into the next glacial phase scheduled for about the year 3500 AD. But all that changed when we got to the industrial era. Global temperatures departed from that cooling trend, and instead rose parallel with our greenhouse gas emissions.The logic of "this was going to happen anyway""

are we producing CO2 on the other planets as well? because they have been warming too

https://www.space.com/33001-mars-ice-age-ending-now.html

were you aware of that?