Climate change is inconsequential (because Peak Oil is a bigger issue)

[o_O.Q]

the-pi-guy said:

o_O.Q said:

" Climate change is caused by humans."

it is? how did the cavemen cause the last ice age to stop?

The current trend of climate change is driven by humans.  

o_O.Q said:

"all of the evidence points to the current trend as being man driven."

so the climate wasn't going to ever warm up again at some point in the future by your reckoning?

No.  But when most of humanity's progress has been done because of the climate's consistency, we should make sure the future is also optimal for progress.  

o_O.Q said:

"Climate change will also have an adverse effect on the economy.  "

not necessarily, someone may come up with technology to reverse the trends that are supposed to be occurring

its odd how people unilaterally accept that technology can cause climate change in one direction... but its not possible for technology to cause it in the other

Of course it's possible. Just because someone doesn't mention something, doesn't mean they don't accept it.  

o_O.Q said:
something that i've been wondering about for some time now is that it is known that the planet has gone through repeated cycles of cooling and heating over time
causing various degrees of flooding and ice formation over that time
is the current climate science suggesting that we humans are somehow going to keep the state of he planet constant going forwards?
because obviously at some point in the future the planet will warm up regardless of our impact on it since we've been coming out of an ice age... i'd like to hear some discussion on that

Natural cycles are expected.  
Everyone knows there are natural cycles of warming and cooling.  

You're basically arguing that "things were going to go bad anyway some time in the future, so why does it matter?"  

You could basically legalize murder with the same type of logic.  "Did you think he was going to be alive forever?  It's obvious he was going to die sometime regardless of my actions."  

"No.  But when most of humanity's progress has been done because of the climate's consistency, we should make sure the future is also optimal for progress. "

isn't the idea to hinder humanity's progress to reduce climate change?

"Of course it's possible."

well seems to me like climate change is being used to push the argument that capitalism needs to end and we need to hinder what people can experiment with and invest in on their own

and obviously this precludes the idea that people privately can come up with solutions for these problems 

but if the motivation among many was to end that to begin with... well.. its not really surprising is it?

"Everyone knows there are natural cycles of warming and cooling.  "

no not everyone

"You're basically arguing that "things were going to go bad anyway some time in the future, so why does it matter?"  "

no that was not my argument, i'm asking when do we expect the "natural" warming to occur and what are we going to do about it

i've honestly never heard that discussed in all of this

"You could basically legalize murder with the same type of logic.  "Did you think he was going to be alive forever?  It's obvious he was going to die sometime regardless of my actions."

with what logic? i was asking a question?