Brexit

[JRPGfan]

NightlyPoe said:

Scoobes said:

I'm still not seeing how anything you suggested would put the ball back in the EU's court.

They would simply refuse until the UK came up with a suitable insurance policy or a genuine solution to the border issue that didn't break the GFA and international law (which is basically what the EU have been saying all along). The onus would be back on the UK as the party that decided to leave, and international law would be on the EU's side. What realistic alternative amendment to the backstop do you suggest the UK sends?

@ your last point (italics)

You don't see how Britain saying what they will accept and putting it in the EU's hands changes things?  This kinda shows how public perception can be warped.  It's basically the result of months in a row of the kind of rhetoric that we've been seeing in this thread which is because the ball has been in the UK's court this whole time.  The EU can "simply refuse" but the UK "can't say what they'll say yes to".  The EU "

Basically, you've all given a complete pass to the EU's intransigence.  May's accepted it and has corrupted the national dialogue by first signing the agreement that she knew couldn't pass, and then spending months as the de facto ambassador from the EU.

But, in the end, who is the one making a demand?  It's the EU!  They are demanding something from the UK that no country should ever relinquish.  Incidentally, they're also including a provision that makes the UK's bargaining position in the next round untenable ("agree to our terms or we'll impose the backstop").

Sorry, but from my view, it's the EU that has overextended itself.  It's the EU that is pushing them closer to a no deal solution where everyone loses.  All they have really won is in defining the terms in public perception.  That's not good enough for me.  May should never have told the country "It's my deal or no deal" and hardened the notion that it was the best deal they could get.  It's really her greatest failure of all.

It's not just the EU that holds all the cards. This is supposed to be the easy part with our nearest neighbors. How do you think we're going to get deals with other large nations when we've squandered trade with our nearest and largest allies?

Other nations aren't going to want to do trade with one of the largest economies in the world?  Why?

There needs to be regulation since the UK will have differnt rules & regluations than the EU.
As long as Ireland is part of the EU, there will need to be a boarder because of this.

Thats not EU overextending itself, its common sense.
Besides its not just the EU saying this.

WTO says the same thing, there will have to be a boarder.
Even with a hard brexit, and you guys saying "screw off EU", the results will still be the same.

Also its clearly not the EU's fault it turned out like this, but the UK itself that wanted things this way.
UK could have accepted any one of many solutions to this problem, but choose to not even try to do so (or be willing to accept any).

Basically the UK is chaseing butterflys, and unicorns, while skipping along looking for a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Its time to wake up.