40 percent of Epic Games Store users say they don't have Steam

[The_Liquid_Laser]

BasilZero said:

The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't dislike Valve.  I dislike Steam.  Why should I use a service that I dislike?

A couple reasons.

1) Before Steam came along we had numbers for both PC and Console sales.  PC games never sold like console games did.  The big money was always in console gaming.  This was also in an era when PC gaming had more exclusives (and better exclusives IMO) than it does now.

2) Valve never gives us all of their data.  This in itself is telling.  The XB1 is not selling well and Microsoft doesn't give us data about the XB1.  I suspect Valve is the same way.  If the data was actually good, then the company would give it to us regularly.

 

Because you aren’t paying to buy a client like a console.

 

what is it that you don’t like about steam if you still like Valve? Lol

 

Also steamspy (a service created by someone who works with EGS compiled data based on the steam database) that showed many successful titles in the millions - the most sold games on steam were games like left 4 dead 2 and csgo which were both 20+ million 

This information is now locked to the public and I think you have to pay to see numbers now.

 

Also your accusation that PC gaming isn’t doing as good as console gaming if not better is false because the market on pc is completely different from what it was 20 years ago.

 

Japanese companies who never touched PC before are flocking to the platform now, no one does that for any random reason.

 

Exclusives aren’t the real drawing power on the platform anymore - it’s mainly resolution, fps , pricing and availability (for back and forward compatibility) on top of that free online MP

 

My claim was about North America.  No one can counter my argument about North America, because no one has solid numbers about North America.  The very fact that these numbers are a secret is evidence that my claim is correct.

Megiddo said:

The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't find the numbers, because the numbers aren't available.  Valve doesn't release them.  My whole point is that Valve keeps their numbers secret.  "SteamSpy" isn't official numbers.  It's a program that someone designed to Spy on Steam, because Valve wants to keep their numbers secret.

Valve keeps 3rd party numbers secret because that's not their property. It's the same wtih Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo.

Steam has extremely transparent data for all games such as concurrent players that the Big 3 couldn't even dream of matching.

There is no way to compare Valve numbers to the big 3.  People can claim that "PC is huge in North America", but there is no evidence to back it up.  All I can go by is that sales data in the pre-Steam era said PC revenue was smaller than console revenue.  I have no reason to assume it has changed.