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Lets wait and see what MS do next gen with the platform, features will come but I think atm there focus is on there console division. And lets not compare Mobile games on Live compared to broken half finished games on Steam.. Its a sad state atm for Steam and that there Greenlit program has become utter trash to me. I have found some good gems out of the 1000 trash games that Valve let in yearly.
We've been waiting for 4+ years now mate. People are getting fed up with waiting years more for a store to catch up with Steam, that could easily be done within a single year, with all the power and money and people MS can muster. Pulling "wait and see" is only being said till what you see comes to fruition, rather than what should be done here and now that might not even come (hasn't for 4+ years so far). Meanwhile, Valve has managed to give us tools over these 4+ years and some slight revamps over that time-frame.
Their focus shouldn't be on the console division alone. Time and time again, each gen they start off with "we won't forget about you PC folks", to which they then slap us with some odd form of DRM, a few late and busted console ports, then calling it a day, waiting for their console to rise again, then forget we existed until they fall back down, and then it suits them to come back to PC gamers (like this gen for a prime example).
Yes, let's compare games that are sold on both storefronts, since some here like to cite Steam's offerings on the store as "trash", I feel it's only fair to do the same for the win 10 store, even the Switch is doing this now with it's flood-gates wide open. Stop trying to go "nah, don't compare, let MS stand on it's merits, but also pulling "man, Steam is so shit and in a bad place". because it's coming off as blatant trolling and not taking the matter of discussion seriously. Before ea there was greenlight, and people actually preferred greenlight over ea and I find myself agreeing with them. It might be trash to you, but it clearly isn't to others wanting it back, vs indie devs launching their games in busted states and asking for dosh for years to come.
I find the games I want from Steam via the toolset that is made available before me. I've been able to refine what shows up on the storefront for me, but I absolutely cannot say 00% the exact same for the Win 10 store, and someone else within this forum already has their own issues, issues which you have fobbed off, as per usual.
It's not supposed to be a console in a PC. PC gamers don't want their experience consolised and neither do I. It's closed in the way that you cannot do much if anything with it besides browsing and buying, but not having what Steam has doesn't make it better, it makes it lacking and inferior. They don't have to "control" the IP's in that manner, when they could simply make a storefront like Steam's, while also allowing for crossplay across multiple storefronts and supporting different API's, rather than being closed off and non supportive. They wouldn't end up with lawsuits out the ass for simply selling their games on a fully functional storefront like Steam/GoG and the rest.
Their QoA is clearly lacking, because Gears remastered and QB are a prime example of lacking QoA, that those games to this date are still borked, and no, blaming high end hardware like mine doesn't erase the fact that they just fucked up those ports. Other platforms like Nintendo with Splatoon 1-2 have been known for having hackers, as well as other console based games and games on even the likes of Origin, so no, hackers aren't just related and only found on Steam. Stop pulling this petulant tripe with "but it has more, this my argument eliminates your point". It's both childish and arrogant, and presents the backfire effect in motion.
The tile system isn't superior, if that's what you're getting at, and it shouldn't even be like that to begin with. All the other clients have managed not to reproduce what MS has twice now, so that's on MS, not everyone else to sort out.
I play games for multiple reasons, features available to me are one of them. I value being able to take screens, then upload them to both my profile gallery and the game's user gallery for all to see when they look at the video game's screenshot gallery when purchasing the game. I love being able to use the built in forums, to look for interesting information, or being able to talk and discuss with multiple groups, all within the same client at the same time. The newly updated chat feature has had a nice rework, that now shows me what everyone is playing in a grouped mode, and even showing for multiple parties and people within them while playing said game, especially with where they are up to in a game. I don't get any of that on Win 10 store/any other client. I just get "is playing RB6S" and nothing more.
Guess what?, not everyone is like you, and thank god there are more people out there who love and make use of these features, that they would argue and fight to have the, rather than pulling a childish "no one needs them since I don't need them, stop needing them!".
There are people who love modding, who basically game to mod and that's a wonderful thing, diligaf if you don't care for that, you've no say to stop these people from wanting something and you shan't influence taking anything from them either.
Guess what?. You didn't answer my question as usual, all you did was just toss Steam in as a mirror retort, as you always do. You cannot answer for what MS screws up, instead you throw someone else under the bus.
"it might cross over", hows about this year, and not a few years afterward, with PC being yet another afterthought perhaps?. At least Valve is making games for PC gamers first, with MS going "eh maybe later" mentality for certain high profile titles.
It's not even a "fact" to accept. It's that you seemingly do not know how SWOT's or R&D work for that matter. You seem to lack a core understanding of studying your competition and capitalizing on their weaknesses as well as strengths. You seem to just blindly go with "give it time, it will objectively be better". We are not waiting another 5+ years for one store to catch up to what a store spent a decade all on it's own crafting what everyone else can simply take for nothing and not have to put much effort into what was once crafted years ago.
Do you think, because the first tyre was invented, that people could not learn from it and simply improve upon it each time, while also getting better and quicker at making said refinements?. I didn't jump on Steam a "couple of years ago". I've been with Steam since the old days myself, with a friend having introduced it to me from our first year into college.
I wouldn't be basing the length of spending time on an object as something to be "proud" of, more likely what you describe is called "arrogance" and yes, it is becoming of you at this point.
Its a known fact Valve hasn't done much lately aside from sitting on there throne soaking in the money, so at least I am willing to admit that Valve has become lazy and un-motivated, and Valve is in my top 3 companies of all time. I love them and they use to be my number 1. But with the lack of support for there own IPs I had no choice but to drop them down. So maybe its you needlessly defending a company to death, even when the proof is right in your face.
It's not really a known fact at all, here , allow me to educate you:
https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410#announcements/detail/1696055855739350561
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/08/22/valve-changes-everything-windows-exclusive-games-now-run-on-steam-for-linux/#38a0b39e3fa9
https://techraptor.net/content/steam-reveals-2018-year-in-review
Steam has still been working for Linux gamers, as well as introducing their new game Artifact, while also still working on multiple VR projects of their own. They are still currently working on their store redesign. They've also decided to jump into the BR craze with their CSGO BR mode. They've purchased and partnered with Campo Santo, so they'll be allowing them to work on something, which of course takes time, like every other game does (since we're giving MS acquired studios time to dev too right?, only fair if you want to call time spent as laziness).
Valve are still working, if anything they've been working constantly over the past few years, just not in the way *you* want them to, which thank god isn't done your way, because it would be horrible if we allowed you to run Steam the way you think it should run. I don't want a consolized shitty storefront with a tile interface and shooty shooty mcbang games.
Valve clearly weren't your number 1, if all you do is talk trash about them the whole time, while excusing MS. People show compassion and love for the things they like. They can be critical about the things they love, but you've just been critical the entire time, but tossing in "I love", but not showing what that love is truly about. it sounds and feels utterly fake and non-genuine.
You display exactly what is known as the backfire effect, where in the face of any evidence, you'll still argue against it. And I've seen you time and time again, taking my words and going "well you are more than me", and it honestly does piss me off, but you know what happens, you know exactly what happens when it reaches that point, so don't go for that point, because you know it doesn't go anywhere pleasant. If you want it to go that way, I can talk to a mod, because I've had talks about this before. If you want to just copy+paste my words and throw them back at me with mirror retorts, yes we can talk to a mod about that this weekend, for sure, if that's what you plan to do.
The Store isn't perfect but it can play games and it can play a huge library of games not available anywhere else.
That isn't a good enough reason to deflect 4 years worth of negligence. That is just a fact you will have to accept. They have neglected the storefront for 4+ years and they know this. They recently admitted to this and I linked it to you before, but you simply threw that away, as usual.
That says a lot about you already.
It says a metric ton about you sadly. Basing time spent as if it were "wisdom", when a server lack of wisdom is then displayed from the person claiming to be there since day 1.
Other Storefronts don't need to block games because that's part of there already existing QA teams, something Valve wasn't doing well for the past few years. Its not about "Fuck what you think" its about "Stop allowing trashy games to your customers" Having control is not always a bad thing. Just look at Nintendo and what they have done for the industry.
Except said "QA" has shown to being faulty beforehand, on multiple accounts, across different storefronts, Origin Included. Even Switch's storefront is getting tons of games per day, that they know they need tools in order for users to find what they want when they want. Having tools does not make you inferior, it doesn't make you lesser. Trying to excuse the need for any kind of option, feature or tool is however a sign of weakness.
Clearly other storefront QA's haven't done a good job, since QB and Gears remaster run like garbage on multiple hw configs, as well as one of GoG's "curators" having banned a puzzle game, from a well known puzzle dev, based on the notion of "it looked like a mobile game", which earned them ire and backlash.
It should be about "play the games you want to play", not "play the games I want you to play" which is exactly what you are demanding Valve do with their storefront. Do not tell me for an instant on what I can/cannot play. I play what I want to play, and I've no interest in stopping you from playing what you want to play on any storefront.
Having tools is not always bad, having subjective curation from a higher authority is. Allowing yourself to choose what you like is better than being told what to like from a select few.
Yeah, look at Nintendo and how they opened the Switch floodgates, now they have mobile games on there, as well as the ones you dislike on Steam being there too, only on Switch you cannot block them from sight. Also, let's not forget Sony and the "life of Black Tiger", amazing curation right there.
I am looking forward to Black Mesa Xen (Ironically not made by Valve themselves) and there future VR projects, all companies can make what ever type of games they want, difference is that MS and others actually still make AAA games while still making A to AA games. Valve haven't released a AAA game since god knows when.
That's great then, you should have fun with the obviously modded game, to which you clearly stated you had zero interest in modding before. I too will be looking forward to seeing what sorts of VR games they have in store for us. Though I do not have a VR headset as of late, that isn't going to stop me from buying on in the future to try out said games.
The difference for me is that Valve makes games they want to make, not games to spam constantly and market to the same exact crowd over and over again. They've made games for the FPS crowd, the competitive PVP ones, the Moba, the card games and now the VR crowd, all while offering something unique along the line. AAA games these days are hardly AAA in terms of asset quality, let alone what is contained within said worlds. if anything, AAA's are more bulk in marketing than production quality. Why do Valve need to release one all the time?. Console players have this weird mentality where you need to churn something out asap and in the same volume. It's been years since we last had a new Armored Core game. I'd love another 1-2, but not another 5-10 Armored Core games in a row, al la Assassins Creed/CoD/Forza style, because that model shows a watering down effect and can become stale within a short period of time.
I can argue that not everyone wants all those features and are just happy to have the convivence of playing there console games on there PC without buying a console. Features are useless if you don't have the games to use them on. Example - Gears 4 doesn't offer mod support or any of Steams features, but you know what, at least you can actually play Gears 4 on Win10 Store, better than not playing it at all. That goes with all future Xbox/PC releases.
And I can argue that plenty do want those features. Just because Group A doesn't like said features, does not in any way mean that those features are factually useless for people in Group B and that said features shouldn't count for anything or cease to exist. It just means your group doesn't like them, but shouldn't be discounted from being brought up. It only means your group doesn't like them, and nothing more goes beyond "imo" than that.
See, you're claiming features are useless as if it is a fact, when in reality is is merely just your opinion, and nothing more. Features add to things, they give you something more to a product, more of a reason to use it as well as added value. Gears remaster could have greatly benefited from being moddable, but instead, thanks to UWP, you cannot even edit the game via ini/config files, let alone mod the core game itself in various ways. There wasn't even a built in forum feature for the game, in order to seek out guidance on modding the game, or helping others to run the game better. There isn't even a user review system. I had to look up why the Gears Remaster port was so bad, and why people thought so, as well as it's numerous performance issues (that still remain unresolved to this day). Just because you don't have features or features for game, does not make it magically superior to one that supports and contains features.
I'd rather not play a badly ported game at all. Playing and accepting crap means you've lowered your standards to suit what the company wants you to have,m rather than your own set. That's not healthy and leads to dissonance.
I don't mind if Valve bring out smaller titles, but as a frustrated Valve fan, I want something big from them and I am happy to wait as long as its pure Valve quality. But Valve needs to get in contact with there customers and tell us instead of remaining silent all these years giving us the belief they gave up making games.
I don't mind them bringing out smaller titles either, but I'm also aware that they do not poses the kind of studio required to pump out your version of a "AAA" game. I was fine with their partnership with Campo Santo, because they understand what it means to just go with the flow and design a game you want to make, rather than games the big pubs always pump out each year. Not everything has to be a CoD or a Halo, let alone a Creed or an Anthem. Games like Undertale made me look hard at this industry, and how dated and stagnant it's gotten. I prefer games that really experiment with what they've got, rather than playing it safe. Hell, I tried the Forest recently and was wondering why the hell don't all the other open world games contain the mechanics this small and tiny indie game does, because they've added more to them than simple 1080x res eye candy textures (could hardly call them eye candy when all other textures are either low res or blurry).
What kind of "big" game do you want from them?. I hope it's not another HL game, because 1)95% of the staff are gone, and 2) It would never ever live up to expectations set over the years and thus just fall apart, and no, we shouldn't allow fan fiction to become core lore for HL either, so making fan made mods as core games just means we can do this for Creed, CoD and everything else, if one gets the exception, everyone does, and I know that wouldn't work out well for everything either, so it won't work well for HL.
What else could it be then?. Hopefully not another samey puzzle based game, or another zombie one al la L4D, or another shooty shooty mcbang game. Why not something new and entirely different?. Something that puts you well out of your comfort zone?. Why not a game, that gives you so many choices, one that makes you think really hard?.
I don't think showing us a game 3-4 years before it is released is objectively the best way to show off a game, because console gamers lap and love that stuff, but I sure don't, and it serves to put me off a game, if I know fully well that it's been shown to us in trailers alone for the past 4 years (take that very specifically, because I know what example is to follow).
Exclusives are bad for consumers, but there smart for businesses, in the PC space it doesn't affect me as much as it affects you because I am at least happy I can play the game on my rig instead of buying a another platform just to play a game. I didnt want to buy a PlayStation or a Switch, hence why PSNow would work wonders for me. It offers access.
Yeah, again, it doesn't affect you, but it's clearly affecting others and they are being affected for legitimate reasons, not reasons you don't care for to fob off and act as if it's nothing for them, just because it doesn't affect yourself. I'm happy when I have the choice to buy from each store, but when it's restricted in the way Epic has been doing so recently, it becomes frustrating, primarily because of the issues people like myself have been voicing in regards to the Epic store itself, but to you they don't seem like issues, so you instead belittle any voices made and chant "healthy competition/swift kick up the arse", and it just makes you look rather dim and arrogant at the same time.
Hmm, you sound desperate there. Lets say this, I would pick PC gaming over any form of console gaming if I had to choose, thank the lords I am finically stable to have a few more options in my house. I think you just hate the fact I actually enjoy MS games.
No, not really. You just display more qualities from a core console gamer than a PC one. All the other PC gamers I've spoken to over the years have all liked modding (with a very minute few that semi dabble in modding). The way you go about not caring for things that make PC gaming good, as well as trying to consol-ify PC gaming, just makes you seem like someone who doesn't truly understand what makes an open platform like PC what it is, and why people like it. What you don't like and want instead would simply do away with what PC gaming is about. Your view of competition stems primarily from console based competition, not PC, which is why I picked up on your og post immediately.
I think you're reaching if you think it's just MS. It's more than that. Primarily it's the fact that you keep inciting the backfire effect, to which we go nowhere, you literally rile things up on purpose and a mod steps in, because you don't like been shown up by anyone, even the user above who was issuing complaints about the Win 10 store and language support, with you seemingly brushing it off as nothing "important", again excusing MS in the process.
Sounding even more desperate with that one. But you are entitled to your opinion.
I would be careful with how you word that starting sentence, because you should know where it lands you.
Now all that took awhile for me to response to as well I have been busy at work but I hope I gave you the answers you called for.
No, nothing has been answered, as per usual.
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