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Intrinsic on 27 January 2019
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The_Liquid_Laser said:

The handheld market is relevant, because the PS5 will be competing against a handheld, the Switch.  That is why it is relevant that Sony loses 50% of the time to Nintendo.

More importantly, quite a few people still like to hold on to this delusion that Sony is invincible when it comes to gaming.  They are definitely not invincible.

To all those involved parties that see this......

See that post up there....... this is exactly why I always end up in those "clarifying arguments" about the NS being a handheld r a home console. In a "home console" thread people like him will come and champion it being a handheld. 

The_Liquid_Laser said:

Thanks.  This is useful.   It gives at least something.

I am not sure if there is enough there to determine what the launch price of the PS5 will be though, which is a much more important detail.  Will it be $399 or $499?  I could see them going either way.  Also, I am still waiting to see if they keep it a vanilla console or bundle in something like a VR headset.  That could drive up the price even more.  And knowing what games it will have during the first year is also very important.  These things I've said in this paragraph are even more important than knowing the system specs.  That will actually give an idea of how well the console will do.

That is why I say, it is too early to predict a PS5 victory in say, 2021.  It is also too early to say whether or not it will even sell better than the next XBox.  We still know very little about the most relevant details for either console.

You are clutching at straws. VR is still and will probably always be an enthusiast level accessory. There is not a chance in hell sony bundles a VR headset with a PS5. How do I know this? Because sony has NEVER bundled any accessory with any of the playstation consoles. NEVER. The most that we will et as far as VR built in support in the PS5 is a thunderbolt port which will allow one cable power and data connection to a VR headset. And dds are PSVR 2isnt even coming till 2023.

There is no reason or indication as to why the PS5 will not at least match sales the PS4 in NA. As long as it still has EU and Japan and ROW its pretty much guaranteed to outsell the next XBox. How do I know this? Cause the worst playstation console still outsold the best Xbox console even while losing in NA by 2:1.

This PS5 is in trouble message you are pushing.... its based on nothing but bias. Like there is not one sensible thin you have said to support your theories. Instead you are cooking up scenarios that unless you have been living under a rock for the past 5 yrs have pretty much zero chance of happening.

 

pokoko said:
The "Nintendo isn't as big as Sony" thing doesn't really do much for me as an excuse as to why Nintendo has less of a presence in certain areas. Nintendo as a gaming entity has been around for decades, more than enough time to establish partnerships around the world. Linking with other businesses to handle logistical problems is commonplace in a global economy. If they haven't done that by now, that is their own fault. As we all know from the threads that routinely sprout up about the subject, Nintendo has more than enough money in the bank to finance such an endeavour. They just haven't.

Also, I kind of hope aliens in space are reading this thread in an effort to understand Earthlings. If so, they're probably as confused as heck about how Playstation is doomed despite coming off an excellent year.

It happens just around when a new PS console is being released. Every single time.

Pre PS4 it was that MS were buying EA and AMD, PS4 was having 4GB ram and using cell processor 2........etc.

Shadow1980 said:

PlayStation has consistently been a strong global brand, and in doing so has demonstrated the importance of regional differences in buying habits.

The PS1 not only dominated in the U.S. and Japan, but was also the first console to become hugely successful in Europe. It sold roughly on par with the NES in the U.S. and Japan, but it was sales figures approaching 40M in Europe that pushed it to be the first console to sell over 100M units globally. The PS2 continued on that success, almost single-handedly continuing to grow the market in America and Europe (Japan less so, as the console market was experienced slowed growth ahead of its then-future contraction).

The PS3 was completely clobbered by the 360 in the U.S., but the situation was reversed in Europe. In Japan, while the PS3 fell far short of the PS2 in lifetime sales, the 360 failed to make an impact at all. The combined result was lifetime global sales that were essentially tied between the 360 and PS3, though if you account for the PS3 releasing a year after the 360, the PS3 sold at a faster rate globally. So, even with everything going in MS's favor last generation, the 360 still couldn't pull off a convincing victory over the PS3, its lead it garnered from launching first dwindling with each passing year. Xbox, unlike PlayStation, is not a strong global brand, owing the vast majority of its success to the U.S., UK, and other Anglophone nations. The brand simply doesn't have a strong presence in mainland Europe, and is almost completely ignored in Japan. Sony may have lost a lot of ground to MS last gen, but they remained a strong global brand.

Because PlayStation has done well in all regions (excepting the U.S. last gen), they have managed to average over 100M units each generation. Even when they had their big misstep with the PS3, they still managed impressive sales, with the PS3 still the #5 home console of all time (behind only the PS1, PS2, Wii, and PS4). The PS4 is on track to sell 120M units lifetime, which would make it the new #2 system of all time. Next generation, assuming the PS5 and Xbox 4 starting off on even footing and neither Sony or MS making any big blunders, the PS5 ought to still split the U.S. market, win soundly in Europe, and be the only conventional console that sells in Japan. Unless Sony drops the ball big time, the PS5 still ought to get to the 100M mark even if MS expands their market share a bit.

Now, Nintendo is a strong global brand as well (in the sense of not being dependent on a single region for the bulk of its sales like Xbox is), but has failed to deliver consistent results with their home consoles. Despite being the #1 brand of the 8-bit & 16-bit eras, their missteps with the N64 and GameCube resulted in finishing far behind Sony for two consecutive generations. The Wii was a huge hit and was the #1 system last generation, but the Wii U saw Nintendo have their biggest hardware failure yet, but they've turned right back around and delivered a huge hit with the Switch.

Beautiful......