Brexit

[JRPGfan]

Victorlink87 said:

JRPGfan said:

Trump isnt against unfair trade,.... he just wants all trade to be unfair towards the other parties.
Thats basially what "america first" means. He is unwilling to deal, without there being huge gains for the US.

Also yes, divide and conquer, is probably what he is thinking, and what the russians/chinese want too.
But why would the US want a weak ally they can take advantage of? instead of a strong partner?

Ever heard the expression "with friends like you, who needs enemies?"
Basically trump doesnt set out to make friends, in his world view, screwing everyone over, even friends for profits, is the way of things.

In this way, he differs quite alot compaired to most past US presidents.

I would have to disagree to an extent. The US has been absolutely taken advantage of in the area of trade for decades. Tariffs have been imposed upon the US, but the US imposes no or much smaller tariffs resulting in massive trade deficits, half a trillion to a trillion dollars. Trump has helped level that playing field quite a bit. The main culprits of the unfair and lopsided deals for the US were the EU and China.

 

In all honesty all leaders of countries should be trying to do what is best for their country. Including not rolling over to unfair/bad deals.

 

Interestingly enough both parties agreed that US was losing in trade deals before Trump. It wasnt until Trump that the divide happened. I understand and agree with the Trump disdain, but I hate that it has caused so many on both sides to turn a blind eye.

 

Lastly, we can pretend all we want that the leaders in the EU, Russia, and China arent trying to get over on other major countries and unions, but we would be lieing to ourselves. Everyone does it and if everyone is trying to do it, no one will succeed and we all win.

 

Ofc every country ect looks out for itself.

However I disagree that EU is actively counter working the US intrests and trying to hurt the US.
Meanwhile it feels like Trump is actually doing that with the EU.

Also trade isnt unfair with the EU, for the US.
Why does the US buy abit more from EU than the other way around?

Well some of it, is without a doubt due to our Rules & laws, with reguards to alot of goods, that the US simply does not follow, so we cant import those.
Also who says that in order for someone to buy something, you have to also sell something of equal amount?

What if the EU doesnt want as many things from the US, as the other way around?
Would you not allow US cititizens to buy these things (from the EU)?
Would you force the EU to buy things they dont want from the US? (as its already doing)

These arnt easy to answear questions.
However Trump just looks at one nr, vs the other, without any thought, and says "thats unfair, their fault, we need to punish them".


Also this is way off topic, this thread is about Brexit, not Trump.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 24 January 2019