| Intrinsic said: Those are really broad strokes you are taking. By your logic every gamer that owns a phone (which can play fortnite or pubg) shouldn't also need to buy a console. Unless choice of controller input is genre for you. But how will you explain the PS4 going onto have its best year on the market in the same year the NS launched and outselling the NS the following year too all the while the sales of the XB1 has remain unchanged if all three are in direct competition? Do you feel if the NS didnt exist last year or this year sales of both the PS4/XB1 will be up by around like say 7M each in each of those years? You want to narrow it down t as long as its playing games its the same....... but no matter how you spin it its just not. And reasoning like that makes it impossible to debate with you. Which is aso why you dismissed the car analogy. If I were talking like you I could just say that all cars serve to get you from point A to point B. |
Different strokes for different folks.
You keep mentioned I am falling short on knowledge yet both of you keep coming back with the same bad analogies. Phones are not primarily gaming devices. They are communication devices. I will explain why the PS4 did well while the Switch launched. Momentum. It had by then a good library that could not be ignored and it had good output that year. But I can assure you that choices were made to buy a Switch over a PS4 that year, even though Sony right before the Switch launch dropped the price of the PS4. Either way, it has to do with software. You are again, confusing yourself in the thinking that hardware is the primary motive here. It's software, and that is also the primary source of making money for these companies.
The car analogy, you should have dropped it but I will tackle it further on because you keep insisting on it.
| Intrinsic said: No one said consoles didn't compete. We are saying there is something called direct competitors and indirect competitors. And this is the concept that seems hard for you to grasp. PS4/XB1? Direct competitors. PS4/NS? Indirect competitors. In the first case if you have one you almost nearly will never need the other. This is because their form factor is identical, their function and services are identical and the bulk of their library is identical. In the second case, one offers things that are just impossible on the other. So both can coexist and one ding well wouldn't mean the other will suffer. |
There is no indirect competition. It is direct. These are not movies and books competing. It's one single source of entertainment, video games. The Xbox One and PS4 compete, just as the Switch, with software. In this case exclusive content or perhaps superior multiplat offerings.
Form factor is irrelevant. The primary function is the ability to play. Does the Switch do that, yes. Function and services, not completely, but there is an offering of online, as well as some media functionality (albeit slowly being added). The offerings are largely the same except for some bigger releases. But I don't think multiplats are primary reason for wanting a console, mostly exclusive content is.
| Intrinsic said:
Price, while important isn't the drivin force when it comes to cars. Its practicality. And by practicality we mean how well does the car do what you want it to do? And when you see it for what it is you then realize that that same driving force (practicality) applies to everything. Because practicality is subjective. Eg, a mother of 3 kids will NOT buy a lamborghini even if its costs $500 because its a two seater and she needs something that can sit all her children.You are showing how limited your understanding of these things are. A gamer will NOT buy a PS4 if he doesnt have a TV and does most of his gaming on the go. And if he does have a TV and PS4 he will still buy a NS because it lets him play games on the go. But that gamer will not buy an XB1 if he has a PS4 because its practically the same thin and doesn't offer anything he isn already getting See how that works? |
Maybe a lambo wasn't the right choice, but as you actually said before, the primary reason to buy a car is getting from point a to point b. All cars have this a primary focus. As for choices for buying a car, I didn't say it was the only choice, but it is the biggest factor of why someone buys a car. Price. If I use a different example, a hummer can move a big family too but it is out of the price range of many consumers. But still, it has nothing to do with choices of what games people want to play. Practicality is a secondary factor in cars the same way a preference of colour is. This however is different with games and cosnoles cause they all have basically the same price range. So it falls solely on the preference. The two things are separate.
| Intrinsic said: Hmmmmmmm....... We aren't sheep here. And we can at the very least apply some common sense. Sony called the PS3 a PC. And while it could be used as a PC, it was not a PC. It was a game console. And don't take my word for it, just look at the agencies that denied sony registering it as a PC cause they saw through that sony were just attempting to qualify for a lower tax bracket. And MS championed media hub and 1B in sales because the XB1 had a vide input and the XB1 could run windows apps. But yet the XB1 lived and died on its viability as a game console regardless of how or what MS described it. Nintendo can call the NS a home console. But I am not stupid. I know what a home console is and what makes something a home console. I have almost 30yrs of consoles to look it if I need to be reminded. I also know what a handheld is and what makes it a handheld, again.... I have 30+ yrs worth f hardware to know what that is. So i am sorry, but when nintendo takes what by design, form and function is a handheld and ships it with a dock that lets you connect it to your tv....... that doesn't suddenly make it a home console for me. Regardless of whatever kinda PR BS nintendo spews. If I am wrong? fine... if this somehow makes me silly in your book? thats fine too. But as i said.... I have seen a lot f handhelds, and the NS is looks and acts more like a handheld than anything else... so idk...... More interestingly though, try something. Type "all handheld consoles" on google and see what pops up. Then type "all home consoles".......... |
I don't get why you want to keep harping on this subject. If you insist on speaking against what Nintendo thinks their own product is, then it is pointless for me to argue against you. I will not engage someone who has his own reality.
Some small tidbits. The PS3 being a PC and Xbox being a media hub has nothing to do with competing with the Wii which comes down to the same thing. Playing video games. Secondary features have nothing to do with it, although you could say it is a selling factor. My point here is is that games are the driving force.
Also, using googles search algorithm as a source for fact is not that smart.
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