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Snoopy on 07 January 2019
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MTZehvor said:
Snoopy said:

You did say the NFC North was a weak division.

"And it's not as if this is just a case of the NFC North being weak and the Bears having a better record only because everyone in their division sucks; "

Also, you said the Cowboys win wasn't impressive because they barely won against the "weak giants".

"a playoff team should probably be more than one point better than the Giants."

Quoting the first few words of that first sentence:

"And it's not as if"

...in other words, I'm saying that this is not the case. My argument there is deflecting the potential counterargument that the Bears just play in a weak division. Someone might try to counter the point I had made previously by saying that the reason the Bears had a better in division record than out of division record was because they played in a weak division. I'm directly arguing against that point of view by saying that, no, this isn't the case, it's a phenomenon spread league wide.

Also, you said the Cowboys win wasn't impressive because they barely won against the "weak giants".

And I stand by that. There is no scenario where beating the fourth worst team in the league by one point is going to be impressive. That doesn't mean I think the Cowboys are a bad team; there are several wins from the Patriots' season that I also think were thoroughly underwhelming (both games against the Bills, first game against the Jets), and I don't believe New England is a bad team. Same goes for the Chiefs, Saints, Rams, and every other team still alive in the Super Bowl race. Every team has at least one game where they played a bad team and should have won by a lot more than they did given the quality of their opponent. 

None of that means I think those teams are bad. It's just that I wouldn't go bragging about barely beating a bad team, regardless of the circumstances.

You only said "And it's not as if" to point the fact that the Bears wins and loss record is better in their division than outside their division has nothing to do with the NFC North being weak. In the next sentence, you even said this scenario is found throughout the NFL indicating this isn't just occurring in a weak division. 

Saying Cowboys win against "Weak Giants" without Zeke and three pro bowl lineman isn't impressive is an insult on their hard work and never giving up.