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Immersiveunreality said:

SpokenTruth said:

Uh, no.  Because black people using the word has a different meaning, purpose and function.  Again, context is crucial. 

Words take on different meaning depending on who says them.  In England, chips means the same thing as fries to an American yet chips to them mean crisps to the English.  This is imply meant to be an example of context of speaker. Here, it's a geographical divide that denotes context.  For the N-word, it's a racial divide that denotes context.

You're almost there.  The race of the user is part of the context.  It takes on a completely different connotation depending on who uses it and how.  See what I wrote above.

That said, of course it can used by white people under a set of given circumstances.  For social research, historical re-enactments, art,....again, context is crucial.  I keep saying that. 

Well see that is our disagreement there,for me this word has a different meaning on how it is said and for you it's about what race uses it in this case and it seems sargon used the N word that much to offend Nazi's, its dumb he used it and he can be called out for that ofcourse but in this context it does not make him racist.

I do not think a skincolour should keep on bearing the sins of the forefathers or the grudges of the forefather's and we do not need to see everyone that likes freedom of speech on these words as bad people because its not because they aprove the freedom that they condone the unrespectfull words used but there are other negatives we can use before directly going  to one of the biggest(racist) that make's the target to be viewed as a monster instead of a flawed person and doing this also makes the public blind to truth.

You will most likely dissagree with alot of my comment here but people that have a different view than you on this mostly are also very much against racism so do not let this thread dishearten you too much.

I think this is actually a really good point. First, don't be discouraged because people have different viewpoints or interpretations. I think most people are against racism and other forms of descrimimtation.

The really interesting thing about what Sargon was doing, albeit maybe not in the most constructive way, was to try and show the fallacy of the white nationalist's behavior. Essentially he was saying that they have branded and entire race of people with a word and an associated set of negative characteristics. The behavior that they don't like and have attributed to this group as a whole, they themselves are acting exactly the way they say that groups act. Therefore the word, based on their definition of characteristics, is applicable to them.

This is one of the biggest problems I have with identity politics. Any time you attribute individual characteristics to entire groups of people, it's folly. Judge individuals on individual actions.