Sam Harris Drops Patreon - Other Creators Follow

[thismeintiel]

Errorist76 said:

DarthMetalliCube said:
I'm definitely getting the sense that there will very soon be a huge power vacuum/market demand for platforms that allow for free speech (it already seems to be starting). Since platforms like Patreon, Twitter, and Google no longer seem to wish to provide that, the consumers will flock to others that will. If the people are not getting the services they are looking for in the market from a particular provider, they'll gravitate towards one that will. If there is none, someone out there will inevitably create one. The beauty of the free market.. I think people should definitely keep their eyes out for a platform that seems to be on a mission right now to make some waves - Gab. But who knows, the revolution could come from a totally different, as of yet unknown company out of left field.

People seem to think that Silicon Valley is infallible, but I really don't think they are. They can collapse just as quickly as they've risen up if they continue to get further out of touch with what the masses want.

I find it interesting that people think racism should be covered by free speech. It should not.

Then it is not free speech.  "Hate" speech is the only speech that needs to be protected.  Speech you agree with never needs protecting.  And now that the Left is conveniently labeling just about everything the Right says as hate speech, that word really has no meaning anymore, anyway. 

StriderKiwi said:

Sargon didn't even break terms of service. They banned him for made up reasons and for clear political bias and Patreon's CEO refused to speak to him concerning his abrupt ban, despite speaking to others (Tim Pool) about his banning, while still stating "we don't talk about other individual's accounts." Keep in mind, there are countless other pages/users, some more prolific than Sargon, on Patreon, using similar or worse language (Chap Trap House told viewers to commit suicide) without so much as a warning.

Only the most staunch, blind dems can defend Sargon's banning, regardless of your view of him and his stances. Patreon's knee-jerk reaction has cost them, and countless innocent content creators who use Patreon, revenue. Look up Styx, Tim Pool, or even non-political youtubers and such making statements of how many subs/revenue they've lost since Sargon's banning.

It was a stupid decision that hurts content creators using Patreon as a platform the most.

The Silicon Valley pseudo-religious elites need to be brought to heel, and if our government won't do it, it's up to us as consumers to vote with our wallet to bankrupt them.

I do not give a damn about what values a rich "liberal" elite pretends to have for political posturing, I purchase a service to get the service.

I swear the dem elites now have more in common with the Puritan Bible-thumpers of yore. And they wonder why Gen Z is the most conservative/Libertarian generation since the 50s...

Exactly.  The Left is getting afraid of anyone who is not Left, even if that includes those in the center or are Libertarian, spreading their message.  They created these platforms, embracing (or at least seemingly) the idea of free speech.  They got in bed with the government for legal protection on the grounds that they are unbiased, open platforms.  But, ever since they lost the last election, they have started cracking down, thinking that free speech is what helped get Trump elected.  Leaked footage from places like Google prove this to be the case.

It's why they constantly attack Pewdiepie, a more center-right guy, in the media.  Hell, Google probably would erase him from Youtube, if only it wouldn't mean a revolt by 10s of millions of users.  They already got a taste of this rebellion with their Youtube React, the most hated video on Youtube.  The media went after Gab, not because of some racist who used it, but because it was an alternative to Twitter that actually embraces free speech.  Now, they are going after Tik Tok because of your last sentence.  It's the new Vine, but filled with this new Gen Z, who is rebelling against their push for a strict PC culture.

Puppyroach said:

thismeintiel said:
Wow, people actually believe we live in a free market? Boy, that's laughable. If we lived in a free market, big companies wouldn't be able to lobby the government to make two sets of rules. One for them. And one for their competition. These big corporations are protected, and probably get certain breaks, for being an "open platform." Those same protections are not given to up and comers. And in a free market, we don't have bailouts because a company "is too big to fail." That's a Socialist idea. In a true free market, if that company couldn't cut it, either by evolving with the market or cutting spending, they would go under and another company would take their place. That is a true free market. Not one where the government meddles with you pretty much every step of the way.

@ OP

I'm pulling my support from Patreon, as well. They were just looking for any excuse to take Sargon off. So, they finally found a video from months back, on a channel that wasn't his, and only had a few thousand views, where he said that racists were the actual "niggers." The truth is, there are probably tons of people on Patreon that use that word in their videos, but I guess they are from a protected class.

No, you live in a mixed economy, just like most other countries. A completely free market works just as bad as a completely socialist system. But I don't see what that has to do with this case? Or is your argument that, because you don't have a completely free market, the government should force private entities to accept account that violates their terms?

Violate their terms?  Please.  How many people are on that site that have done or said worse in their vids?  Rucka Rucka Ali is on there and he says worse things daily.  The difference is Rucka is making edgy songs, while Sargon is spreading his own message and Patreon is worried that he may be effective in that cause.

Last edited by thismeintiel - on 20 December 2018