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curl-6 said:
mjk45 said:

You get no argument from me about originality making fresh novel experiences , but that comes with a great big IF, no matter how original if you don't have a good story and  or game  play ,you'r games originality isn't going to change it into a great game, but when you combined  it with those factors it becomes the cream on top that takes it up and over other similarly  good games.

One of my complaints is people  don't take stock of their expectations , because the story that involved bioshock 1 and it's characters ended with Bioshock 1 Bioshock 2,being more  a continuation of the themes underlying rapture  rather than a  continued story  is criticised for not being new , now why would a game set in the same world, coming off the back of a tale that had spun itself out be expected to offer up the same kind of wonder that the original did with the star of the show Rapture unless your expectations where askew. Even Infinite with its new game template ,something not available to bioshock 2 had a hard time with originality while  trying to get out from under raptures exotic aura,  the deep sea  becomes the sky , plasmids became tonics ,art nouveau replaces art deco.etc, still it told an original story with enough newness to keep it fresh and that last bit applied to bioshock 2.

I agree that Bioshock 2 is a good and underrated game, but even I felt like its setting didn't quite have the same atmosphere of mystery as the first game simply because I'd already spent so much time there. It's like if you just finished a delicious pizza, and for the second course they bring out a second pizza that's also delicious but very much like the first. Fair or not, that second pizza isn't going to be quite as enticing as its predecessor. That doesn't mean it's not a good pizza however.

Like i stated it's expectation ,if we continue with the pizza analogy , you have eaten plenty of pizza's then along comes one filled with unusual seafood topping that tastes awesome like nothing you have eaten before next time  you go out you are told  that the pizza was a once off and the chef has left but they have the recipe for the same pizza but the new chef has added some ingredients of his own  but kept the base and you order it then complain that it tastes  great and the new toppings where good but didn't surprise you like the first , The chef responds we don't mind if your complaint came from a realistic expectation, of what you where getting . so my complaint isn't in defence of Bioshock 2 even though I enjoyed it or people like you who didn't find the same magic spark to be there ,I felt the same. my complaint is toward those who then used that lack of first time wonder to criticise the game without any real explanation  especially when that sense of wonder came from rapture itself  and no story no matter how good was going to change that fact.

The sense of surprise is hard to follow up it why you see a sci fi horror film like  Alien being followed up with a action sequel, the fear of the unknown is replaced with the Adrenalin of the hunted , resi 1 versus resi 2 while not so pronounced followed a similar path .

Last edited by mjk45 - on 18 December 2018

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