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fatslob-:O said:
Eagle367 said:

Makes sense. But you have to do that anyways(I think). Like Japanese culture is completely different and you have to respectful to different cultures wherever you are. 

That said, this is basically my life hahaha. Not because of lack of freedom or anything, I'm studying in Montreal. But maybe because I am just that way or maybe I'm conditioned that way because my city went to hell after 9/11(Quetta, Balochistan, Pakistan if you're wondering) and I was only 4 at the time. So being aware of my surroundings is either my nature or engrained in me. Can't tell which though because nature and nurture are entangled pieces that work together.  That's why I'm more wary of americans than chinese because chinese drones never killed anybody in my province. Nor did the chinese government bring a war to my soil. We are basically the punching bags, even by our own miltaray. There have been books written about "The great game". That is, all these different governments mixed up in my province and afghanistan and how they are basically using it as a strategy for control. I don't like armies for that reason as well and don't have much respect for soldiers. I don't mean to be offensive, that's just how I view the world because that's how the world shaped me. Kinda getting off topic but needed to vent a little

This maybe off topic but ... 

While US intervention is not ideal in dozens of cases, Pakistan is a straight up irredeemable state. Trump will right the past wrongs you see and grant you your wish by letting Pakistan fall into political disrepair just as you see from Saudi Arabia or other middle eastern nations considering that the US was the only one with adult supervision in that whole affair ... 

Given that China and Pakistan borders between each other along with the fact the US is at the other side of the earth, it is China that should be feared since they have a cutthroat foreign policy going by their relations with Vietnam. Vietnam was once a potential geopolitical ally for China after the vietnamese civil war but that came to an abrupt end after Vietnam decided to side with the USSR instead and to this day China still threatens Vietnam with war, however this time their going to bar the vietnamese from access to the South China Seas so I'm willing to bet the vietnamese wish they could get military aid from the US ... 

The fact that Pakistan is squandering it's only possible counterbalance against China, they are going to be shit out of luck if they face a chinese invasion on hand just like the vietnamese without an option for a deterrent but I guess siphoning cash out of America is more valuable to them than long-term stability and an alliance with a superpower ... 

I disagree. You probably don't know the relationship between Pakistan and US but I've lived it. The US used Pakistan like a tissue with it's war against the USSR and then threw Pakistan away. Again they needed Pakistan in the "war against terror" and again threw Pakistan away like a used tissue. The US never considered Pakistan as an allyaand only as a tool to be used. But Pakistan never learned it's lesson and kept trying to form a functioning relationship. Now Pakistan is tired. Because Pakistan has lost 1000s of times more than it's gained with trying to make a partnership with the US. We've lost in lives and in money. The measely aid given is easily lost considering how much money we've lost. And the US never wanted a resolution to the Afghanistan war because only the US military complex gained from it. Profit is all the motive for them. US was never "adult supervision" The US was a parasite and a leech to the middle East. And I agree Pakistan should only rely on itself and not other nations whether US or China.

But the relationship between Pakistan and China is a unique one. You see Pakistan was doing really good in the 60s before the Afghanistan mess, and formation of Bangladesh and all that. While China was not doing so hot. Pakistan was the first one to help China and also one of the very few who fought for China to be included in the UN. Now China is a huge beast and at least to Pakistan, wants to help the country that helped it in it's time of need. China might be using that relationship to it's advantage, I don't know since I am not Chinese leadership.

The entire point though is that Pakistan cannot trust US because US will constantly betray us like they always have. Because the US does not respect smaller nations and their right to sovereignty and does not want partnerships but rather wants countries to bow down to them. China  has a more nuance approach and our businessmen. The US I'm sure would've destroyed Pakistan like it did Iraq, Afghanistan and so many others if we didn't have nukes.

Pakistan is reaching a breaking point where the military is not as strong as it once was and is desperately trying to maintain it's power, Pakistan is realising it cannot trust western powers because they will betray us and Pakistan has to be smart about China and CPEC. If it somehow manages to survive it's military gone mad, China's sly business tactics and the pressure of the Americans on the international stage, we will come out stronger than ever. We can make Gwadar a really big thing and if we start ruling our military instead of the military ruling us, we can treat Balochistan and all other provinces with respect and may rise up to be what was envisioned by our founding father. But on the flip side we might crash and burn and have to wait decades for another opportunity to rise up. I don't tjint Pakistan as a nation will end anytime soon, but the time is approaching for Pakistan to make it or break it.



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