| Intrinsic said: Technically speaking, the PSU sec doesn't really say much about the console efficiency. Both the PS4pro and XB1x use around 90W when running games. PS4pro uses 2W when its asleep and XB1x uses 11W. How much power is allotted for USB ports and stuff are factors to consider when looking at the PSU. |
It does influence power consumption at the wall.
For instance... You can have two PC's each having components drawing 500w. - If one PSU is 70% efficient then it would need to draw 650w from the wall.
If the other is 90% efficient then it will draw 550w from the wall.
The reason for that is that the Power Supply is converting electricity... And that is where the laws of Thermodynamics comes into play... In short electricity is wasted as heat during the conversion.
| DonFerrari said: Sure Sony paid for it. But it still doesn't invalidate that companies not always look at the cheapest or most cost concious solution, and you including MS with X1 (which was more due to Kinect than the rest of the HW anyway) shows that isn't even exclusive to Sony. |
Again, I have already agreed with you on this.
All consoles have a budget, consoles are cost sensitive devices. - The fact that the Xbox One or Playstation 3 had a higher hardware budget doesn't negate my statements.
| DonFerrari said: Because that would diminish their sales of remasters/remakes, not bring any extra HW sales. So why waste money on it? |
Consumer good will? In Microsoft's case it makes Xbox an attractive platform to some users... And considering all Xbox Games with Gold games are all backwards compatible going forward, it's an attractive scheme for Xbox 360 users migrating over, in short it helps lock Xbox gamers into the Xbox ecosystem as they have already made the investment.
| DonFerrari said: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8923611 you posted this before "Price is the most important factor to building a console, they are cost sensitive devices that cannot have high-end components." http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8922586 "Performance is secondary to cost in the console space, that's the reality of the situation." |
And I stand by those statements. You are not going to have a $1000 USD console with $2000 worth of components.
Jaguar was a compromise of cost over performance.
The GPU in the Xbox One and Playstation 4 were not high-end GPU's. - Again... A compromise of cost over performance.
The Xbox One X and Playstation 4 GPU's are not high-end GPU's. Again... A compromise of cost over performance.
The fact that Microsoft managed to squeeze in some eSRAM and Sony 8GB of GDDR5 in the budget just means they prioritized a couple of components over another.
| DonFerrari said:
And the point in this is that they had much cheaper options and still didn't chose those, while you pointed that they don't do it. Sure you later made the caveat that they don't go scratch bottom, but still choosing BD drive at a time BD players retailed more expensive than PS3 itself certainly isn't choosing even the cost conscient solution. |
Doesn't matter if the hardware costs exceeded the price tag. They still need to adhere to a budget.
| EricHiggin said: XB1X has as many USB ports and more ports overall. If both consoles have similar hardware, use around the same amount of power, and have about the same amount of ports, then their PSU's should be fairly similar as well, yet the XB1X has more performance and it's PSU based on it's peak rating is about 20% lower than the Pro PSU. Some of this could be PS wanting extra longevity, and also the XB1X 'hovis method' power management system they have in place, but some of it is no doubt PSU efficiency rating based on the overall XB1X capabilities. Now whether the efficiency difference for the PSU itself is really 10% or 20% we don't know exactly, but it still proves the point that the PSU design and quality matters. The point was about how much power the Subor is pulling from the wall, and what that means compared to the existing consoles and where they can go in the future. Well if the existing consoles have more efficient power supplies, then more of that power is going into actually feeding the hardware and not being wasted in the PSU conversion process. With a more efficient PSU, instead of pulling 185 watt from the wall, the Subor could possibly pull 150 watts instead let's say, which would mean headroom for extra hardware performance to bring it back up to 180w, with a more efficient PSU. It's also possible the Subor has a high end high efficiency PSU and it's totally maxed out, but we don't know that, and that's typically not the case as PC's get cheaper. |
The Xbox One X's PSU is an efficient unit that is 90% efficient at 50% load, I would be surprised if the Playstation 4 Pro even comes near that.
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