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John2290 said:
DonFerrari said:

R* and Bethesda, kings of people accepting their mistakes.

R* mistakes are no where near as bad as bethesda mistakes, at least this decade. As for the controls it can be pinpointed, mostly, down to two mistakes. 1. The progression and leveling systems starting so low, everything should have started a few levels higher and raised the ceiling from there. It's cleqr on my second playthrough that this is the main issue and along with people getting accustomed to the game it's no wonder so many had issues 2. The default settings are ridiculously chosen, it's almost a crime, the QA in this regard were morons. I suspect their was to vast an array of casuals thrown in and they shifted away from industry norms. The first rectifies itself somewhat and the second can be fixed with a few adjustments in the settings tab. It's true a few issues do persist but it's being so overblown. As for camp slow down, that is a design decision that should have an option but it is greatly appreciated. Without it I'd have and still be missing some of the best parts of this game but an option should have been prompted after a certain point. Thankfully camps become easier to navigate and better laid out than the first three. 

I loved Fallout 4 and had far less issues with the controls there. It did have more glitches yet mission were designed much better, were pretty dynamic and didn't feel as restrictive. You also had very different paths through the story worthy of multiple play throughs. Of course not everyone enjoyed the building mechanic, I did personally and thought it was a brilliant way to put all that normally useless loot to good use.  RDR2 excels in graphics and acting. Fallout 4 has it beat on mission design and side story content.

RDR2's controls are not bad because of starting out low level. It's as DonFerrari says, using the same button for different things. Like R3 is turn 180 or enter dead eye depending on whether you are aiming the gun. Interaction with npcs is a chore and I have accidentally shot store keepers in the face while trying to talk. Yet the most annoying is how the game keeps grabbing hold of the first person camera, shaking, rolling, pointing, it's like someone keeps grabbing hold of my head and making me look a certain way. It gets really bad when you try to climb a ridge. It's hard to tell when a slope goes beyond the magic max degrees where he gets in a slide and the game grabs hold of the camera not letting you turn it for several seconds. Same for any of the pre-baked animations. Half-Life 2 nailed the way to grab a player's attention without limiting your movement speed or forcing the camera in a certain way. In RDR2 I don't feel in control a lot of the time. To RDR2 I say:



Another bloody annoying thing is that when I'm looking around inside a house or cabin and my butt gets to close to a door he automatically turns around to go outside. Don't get near a ladder either when you're simply looking around. I still managed to fall to my death when intending to use a ladder... Yet I did finally figure out which guns shoot immediately and which you have to press R2 a second time to load the next bullet.

Anyway I'm happily exploring again. I abandoned my family at the start of the Epilogue, got back to the canoe at the end of the Dakota river and paddles past thieve's landing! They still shot at me yet no instant kill this time and I made it past. I had to get out at the waterfall a bit beyond, filmed some timelapse footage until after sun down and got eaten by wolves. That gave me my horse back to thanks wolves. Of course they ate me again 5 minutes later, so I camped instead and was magically teleported up a cliff some way off. Darn aliens always abducting me in my sleep and dropping me off somewhere else! I followed th river further towards Mexico yet at some point you reach the death line. Can't swim across and the river bed is marked off limits. It was fun watching my poor horse trying to climb up the forbidden slope, then I had the same problem and drowned not long after. Respawn somewhere completely different again lol.

The game is fun again, however it's rather empty so far, which is a good thing. Plus since I have no guns I can't go hunting the new legendary animals. I should have gone to town first as I didn't realize I still have all my old inventory (how????). So I should sell all my old loot and get a decent horse and guns. That might be a while as I'm currently as far South as possible. Awesome place!