Hiku said:
You said it in a direct reply to me referencing Dr Ford as "credible", in the GOP's own words. And you even posed it as a question for me to answer. That's implying that it is somehow a point against my argument. But if I never agreed with it to begin with, it's not.
You mean like how thousands of people, including some on this forum (perhaps you as well) were convinced that Dr Ford was lying before the hearing began?
That's what I'm saying. It would be nice if he stepped forward, like she did, so we can get the full story. Anonymous accusers are never treated with the same credibility as named accusers who testify under oath.
Well let's start with Devil's Triangle. Some of his former classmates have backed up his claim that it was a drinking game. Others however, including his roommate, say that it was, as we know, a common sexual reference. And they're certain that he lied about it. Now aside from picking who to believe, let's say they're both right. Someone named a drinking game after a common sexual reference. So then that means that Kavanaugh just threw out a common sexual reference, without any context, under a list of his accomplishments in his yearbook, but was actually referring to a drinking game.
I don't know. But it's just people remembering that they and others at the school were talking about it happening, at the time that it allegedly happened. A rumor that went around. |
"You mean like how thousands of people, including some on this forum (perhaps you as well) were convinced that Dr Ford was lying before the hearing began?"
i've not seen that from a single person... what i did see was skepticism... what i did see was people who justifiably called out #believewomen as the retarded bullshit that it is because they understand that women are capable of being deceitful
"I'm sure several GOP members, including Trump, would rather not have had to say afterwards that she was "credible""
trump initially said that she was credible and then resorted to the mockery after the testimony and after her "witnesses" denied the event took place
"And yes we have laws against rape and sexual assault. But the law enforcement officers who enforce the laws differ as individuals."
and what do you plan to do about that? turn them into the borg?
"Around 2/3 of sexual assault victims never come forward, studies show."
if they never came forward and therefore no investigation took place... how do you know that they are victims?
"So yes, people are commonly not interested in hearing the victims before they form their opinions. They make their decisions based on a few cliff note points, and call it a day. Or call them liars."
as is the case with any crime or any claim really and you aren't going to change that by pushing cases that then in the final analysis turn out to be bullshit as has happened in this scenario, not with ford but with other accusers
"Nowhere in the article did it say that she said yes. In fact, it even said that the alleged perpetrator himself said that she said no several times."
and where is your proof that this happened?'
"I don't know about you, but I wouldn't just write "69" in my yearbook as an accomplishment with no further context, unless I wanted people to think I was referring to the sexual position."
he was also a dumb teenage boy and like many he probably bragged about having sex to his peers as most do, i suppose you didn't but most do its actually quite normal behavior for boys of that age so i'm not really understanding your point
"Which leads me to another time he very obviously lied under oath"
uh hold on, what was the lie being evaluated above? you haven't actually reached a conclusion as to what it was, you actually seemed to concede that he was referring to a drinking game, which again, would not be unusual since many teenagers drink and have sex at the same time
"Kavanaugh however, under oath, claimed it meant something nice, and not what everyone thinks it means."
ok so am i correct in assuming you do not possess psychic powers and therefore, would not be able to read his mind? if i am correct what are you going on about? i mean are you serious?
let says it did mean something "bad" which you seem to equate with fucking her
first off why would that be bad? and why would it be lying under oath?
i mean is the underlying idea here that sex is bad?
"And there's no way Kavanaugh didn't know how people would interpret it when he wrote it. "
again lets say he bragged about fucking some girl at school
i mean i seriously do not believe i'm having this conversation but again why do you equate sex with bad?
i mean is the idea here that if he drank and had sex in high school then he must be guilty of raping at least one of the girls he went to school with?
"And then there's his explanation of the term "Boofing". He claimed it was flatulence. But people from his school claim it means something going into you rectum, rather than out of it."
so... your only real evidence is a made up word that doesn't have a meaning? ok
". But it's just people remembering that they and others at the school were talking about it happening, at the time that it allegedly happened. "
even though the main witnesses she brought up don't remember the party, there's somehow a rumour of a girl getting assaulted at that party? ok