Machiavellian said:
1. Lets be honest. Even if someone posted the same message and said, here is Maxine Waters and look what happen, this is why the President should also tone it down because his influence and reach is much greater than hers, I believe we would just see more finger pointing or worst just ignored. People have defended Trump no matter what he says or does as if the man is infallible or that by pointing out his flaws, its an attack on their decision to vote for him. 2. My second paragraph isn't a but Trump. Since the top is him, I am wondering if he will tone it down from here on out or will he continue to double down. If he doesn't tone it down what will be your line from there. Will you ignore it, find some other person to point the finger at and say ah ha, look over here or will you condemn them all. 3. I condemn them both. I condemn any politician that use their influence to harass other political opponents and I definitely condemn any politician who promote any type of violence. I am not a democrat or republican. I am neither left or right so when I see those labels jumping around I only see people looking to make excuses for either sides flaws. Right now I am looking at Trump because he is at the top and he sets the political tone. If he wants to fight dirty, everyone will follow his lead. If he tones it down but everyone else continues then you have something to work with. 4. Yes we individually can be "Who Gives a F" but the thing is a lot of people do. I personally do not believe we need that from the President. I do not believe any President can really bring America together but I do believe that one can increase the divide. |
1. I already posted in a separate reply whatI think about “impact” on why I feel don’t get how him being the President seems to have inflated the value of his words (see my discussion above). I disagree (or at least don’t see the logic of it) about what looks like a subjective and abritrary valuation on the impact of his words. His words are stupid. If we keep it at that and not let allow media to rile us up (or better yet, if media stopped using them to try and rile ppl up), then his words will lose all power. It seems ppl might be looking at the wrong parties on who really is to blame regarding all this negative rhetoric.
2. And I will reiterate on how that is all irrelevant to me as I do not care about the rhetoric as I chose to not allow it to control or affect me. I won’t point the finger at anyone as that is not what I am trying to do here. I will (like I did in this thread) most likely say that you may be blaming the wrong ppl and if I do go “look over here”, and I point out an act similarly done by the other side, it is to ask ppl to be logically consistent or to explain their logic, not to assign blame. I really have no prolem so long as ppl are logically consistent. I don’t know why you ask if I would condemn all as I already stated that I condemn none as I find this rhetoric talk absurd, stupid, petty and silly.
3. Trump doesn’t set the political tone on his own. If anything, the media has far more to do with it. I say this because the things I find in political discussions tend to be talking points presented by media (whether it is to condemn him or defend him) than it is by Trump. I have yet to see someone being quoted as saying “but Trump said it is ok to tackle someone so I did”. But how many ppl basically repeat what CNN/Fox are telling them?
4. Of course we do not need it from the President. We do no need it from anybody, tbh. And I’ll agree that I do not like Trump’s divisive tone. But it’s not like we’d be getting much better from Hillary had she been President from how she spoke in her campaign. And it’s not like the media, the celebs, heads of industry or the next organized angry mob are helping make things better. Just looks like this is the climate now. Started way before Trump, it’s just more out in the open now. In the end, it comes down to if you allow yourself to rise above it or allow yourself to be consumed by it.
Last edited by DrDoomz - on 28 October 2018
