potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
Do you realy think we will compare thousuands of games? Top 50 best selling games will be more than enough.
Lol, from start of our discussion I was talking about Nintendo games vs Sony games sales, and I even couple of times mentioned that, how that can be moving goal post? Again, I was talking Sony vs Nintendo games sales on first place.
Ofcourse its wrong, and it's wrong to use those numbers like definitive numbers, simple because even that 100k game will keep selling how intall base is growing, its far more accurate to compare attach rate for that game than simple numbers if you already comparing sales of games on different platform with huge difference in install base. Lol, point that Odyssey sold 11m on Switch dont has anything with that, despite Odyssey sold 11m it will sell more how install base is growing, same like that 100k game.
Games have better sales how install base is growing, simple fact. Switch games will keep selling how install base growing, same like we can say that PS4 games had lower sales when install base was 40m instead of current 80m. You cant spin that around, we talking about clear facts, even that Dreamcast games would again sold better if Dreamcast had higher install base than it did.
I gave you simple reply to things that are clearly wrong, you brought 3rd party in discussion, and that wasnt my point.
You wrote "Sony first party titles are selling higher than most Nintendo IPs", and you call that a fact!? Gave a proof, gave me a numbers, because every gen Nintendo destroyed Sony games in sales and even now on Switch we can already compare sales despite PS4 has much higher install base than Switch. Most Sony IPs also dont have those sales, you mention Sony has four 8m+ sold games on install base of 80m, Switch that has only 20m install base we already have three 8m+ seller games, Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey, MK8D and we will also have Splatoon2, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, 2D Mario...and who know what else, Nintendo games will destroy in sales Sony games like it always do. And offcourse that has plenty with install base, how Switch install base is growing those games will keep selling, Zelda BotW, Mario Odyssey and MK8D will most likly all be 15m+ sellers at end, Splatoon 2 will easily pass 8m+ sales how install base is growing maybe even at end of this year.
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Yes I do expect you to compared hundreds, if not thousands of games when you claim over 90% of multi-platform games on PS4 and XB1 has a 2 to 1 sales advantage for PS4. That's how statistics work. In order to make that claim, you would have to already know that.
From the start of the discussion you might have been talking Sony vs Nintendo, but I was not, as that's irrelevant to the covnersation.
I don't see how you think attach rate is still anything more than an excuse to apologize for poor third party sales. No one cares about attach rate. It's just a meaningless stat fans came up with to argue over different video game console platforms. It has no bearing or merit in the real world. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't prove anything. It's nothing, but you keep hanging on to it, because "look how many less sales Switch has compared to PS4! you can't expect to have third party game sell millions of units like it does on PS4, that's unfair and ridiculous. Ignore those first party games that are still selling super well though, those don't count!"
And I've never said these select few games won't sell more as time goes on. I said the trickling of sales on most titles after the first 6 months to a year of release doesn't mean anything. This is obvious. However you're making the claim that these sales are directly related to platform growth and you've come nowhere close to demonstrating that. Let me put it this way. Let's say in 2020, Breath of the WIld 2 is released on Switch, and Switch at the time has 60 million units sold. How many copies does it sell? How many copies will it have sold in 2022? If you can't answer those questions within a reasonable margin of error, there is no direct correlation between the two.
I never brought third party into the discussion, you're trying to take third party out of it.
I named Sony first party titles that will sell higher than most Nintendo IPs. God of War, Uncharted 4, Horizon: Zero Dawn, and Spiderman will sell more copies than most of the games Nintendo puts out. That's a fact. You might not like that Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Splatoon, Smash etc only make up a small fraction of the games Nintendo releases, but it's true nevertheless. If you disagree, please point out when you think Mario Tennis, or Captain Toad or Go Vacation, or Kirby Star Allies, or Bayonetta or Xenoblade Chronicles, or Donkey Kong tropical Freeze will reach 8 million copies sold that all of the Sony titles I listed have sold or will sell.
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