Nautilus said:
Most, if not all,of the points you wrote is not only refuted by the video, which actually defines what facism actually is, but also by the myriad of posts I have already done in this thread.What Bolsonaro attempts to do, at the very least in most of his propositions, is the opposite of what you would define as a facism regime.If you really want to know, just read through them.If you cant see the direction PT wants to go with the country at this point, you are either blind or are just fooling yourself.With all the financing and backing that they have done with actual dictatorships, the overall guidelines they have for its party, its the only conclusion you can arrive.Its just that you dont create a dictatorship overnight.It took several years for Venezuala to be were they are(which is an actual dictatorship now), same with Cuba back in the 50s(?).The reason PT or any other party with similar intent as them havent managed to do that, just fuck the country up, is that we are a much bigger country than any other in most countries in the Americas, so it requires more effort, and Brazil is much more educated than them, which also makes it harder for it to be accomplished. And we are at a point that its not a situation that "I dont approve PT but I dont like the other candidate", we are at a moment in history that its either you approve all the shit they have done these 16 years and think that they are not so bad, or you want changes, you want a chance for the country to try something different and have a shot at getting better. If you trully believe the lies that the opposition is spreading, as you definelly did with the sentences "But damn do I love democracy" and "As a bisexual person, I feel threatened by Bolsonaro", then its not my fault that you are gullible and you are part of the problem that Brazil is as it is.Believing that the country will become a dictatorship either just because Bolsonaro is a military(lol) or whatever other reason you have for believing that, and that he will ban homosexuallity or other variants that are not heterosexuality is simply stupid, just because he is not the biggest fan of gay people.He simply has too many actual problems to deal with, to worry about things like that.And its not I, a straight person, that I am saying it.I have countless gay friends and people that I know that say the same. Do me a favor:Dont rely solely on facebook and Whatsapp to keep you informed.Do actively search for news about the candidates, study their backgrounds and truly learn about what they propose.If your biggest gripe with a candidate are lies and exxagerations, then you are voting the right way. |
No, the video doesn't explain any of the points I made. Sílvio explains what fascism is, but whose definition of fascism are you most likely to trust, the youtuber Sílvio's or Umberto Eco's? If you think PT wants to turn Brazil into a communist dictatorship, you're completely crazy. PT was in power for 14 fucking years and Dilma left Brazil very far from a dictatorship. As you said, a dictatorship doesn't happen overnight. If PT really wanted to make Brazil a communist country, don't you think they'd have started it in 2002?
Are you sure Brazil is more educated than Cuba and Venezuela? Maybe that's just your mind making stuff up. In UN's 2009 Education Index, ranking education quality from 0 to 1, Cuba scored 0.993, Venezuela scored 0.921 and Brazil scored 0.891. Btw, PT didn't just "fuck the country up". Lula actually made a lot of positive changes during his government.
Believe me, I don't approve 90% of what PT did. And I would gladly give a shot at any other candidate, just not Bolsonaro. I don't approve 100% of what Bolsonaro did in all his years in Congress, and his speech is fascist as fuck. I'm not voting 13 for PT, I'm voting 13 against Bolsonaro.
I don't need to believe in lies spread by the opposition to hate Bolsonaro. I hate him for what he says about almost everything. He's just really stupid. As a bisexual person, I feel threatened by Bolsonaro not because I think he'll personally demand people to kill me because of my sexuality. I feel threatened because what he says validates people who would actually do that. Bolsonaro "is not the biggest fan of gay people"? It's not just that. He thinks I'm bi because my parents didn't beat me. He would beat me if he saw me kissing another guy. He thinks my parents should have spanked me as soon as I began to "act" bi. He thinks I'm bi because I "wasn't well-educated". He would rather see one of his sons killed than dating another man. He thinks my parents shouldn't be proud of me. He thinks my sexual behaviour is as bad as a paedophile's. Do you understand why I feel threatened? But then again, it's impossible to understand until you actually feel it. But I have faith in people having a bit of empathy.
I don't think Brazil will turn into a dictatorship just because Bolsonaro is in the military. I never said that. I think he wants to turn Brazil into a military dictatorship because he praises what happened between 1964 and 1985.
"He has too many actual problems to deal with to worry about things like that". Well, apparently he doesn't because he talks a lot about homosexuality. If he really cared about the "real" problems (social progress is not a real problem? Brazil being the LGBT murder capital is not a real problem? You don't really have any empathy, do you?) he would act like Alckmin, not mentioning homosexuality even once.
I don't use Facebook and I only use WhatsApp for personal stuff, and no one sends me any "news" through it. I researched each and every (relevant) candidate, and Marina was my choice. But between Haddad and Bolsonaro, I'm voting for Haddad no doubt (I would vote even for a sea cucumber if it was against Bolsonaro). Don't act like you like Bolsonaro because of his government proposals, let's be frank here. He has the weakest and most broad (and sometimes impossible to do) proposals. But okay, name one of his proposals that you actually like and explain to me how he would do that. And again, my gripes with Bolsonaro are not based on lies or exaggerations, they're based on what he says and does himself.
Last edited by Lucca - on 13 October 2018
