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KLAMarine said:

SpokenTruth said:

"Don't say that thing, say the other thing."

 

Are you catching on yet?

No. Kaepernick exercised his freedom of speech, I exercised mine.

What's the problem?

Machiavellian said:

To help KlaMarine out here is the definition of what lynching include

What does lynching include?

Lynching is the illegal killing of a person under the pretext of service to justice, race, or tradition. Though it often refers to hanging, the word became a generic term for any form of execution without due process of law.

Guessing by that definition, Kap was using it correctly, it's just that KlaMarine was ignorant of the meaning.  Ignorance is probably one of the biggest cause of misunderstandings and it will always be the main source of why people never understand an issue because they do not take the time to want to understand.

Not every killing is illegal. That might include Stephon Clark's killing.

GhaudePhaede010 said:

1) If you read the link you would see that Kaepernick went, himself, with the relief aid to Somalia. Somalia is one of the most dangerous places on Earth. He put himself in direct risk.

What portions of the article say this? Still not seeing it. Can you quote the article where it says this?

GhaudePhaede010 said:

2) No, you may not suggest anything. You either get out there and do your diligence or you let that man do his positive work to the best of his abilities. This is what amazes me about people like you, that you believe someone doing as much as he has should do even more; the way you think it should be done, while you sit at a computer desk or phone and try to take away from his efforts and accomplishments. Total nonsense. You do not get a say in how he does things so long as what he is doing is legal and positive.

No, I'm going to speak my mind. Kaepernick doesn't have to listen if he doesn't want to but I think it's always a good idea to listen to any and all feedback and draw whatever lessons that can be drawn.

Behold how some of the biggest companies in the world have feedback pages through which people can provide their input.

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/rsvp/leave-feedback.html

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/27932/windows-10-send-us-feedback

These companies seek to sell their products, Kaepernick seeks donations to his causes.

GhaudePhaede010 said:

3)  Yes, I am accusing you of slandering him. When you say something to the effect of, "no love for white people" in reference to Kaepernick as though he has expressed a disposition with white people, you are, in fact, attempting to slander him. Since he was adopted by white parents and is half white himself, I would have to assume he has some love for white people. To assert otherwise, on any level, is scandalous.

Correction: I didn't say "no love for white people", I asked "No love for white victims?"

I asked a question, I did not make a statement here.

GhaudePhaede010 said:

4) I have yet to find one humanitarian that did not have people like you chirping in the background. Gandhi had the British and some subgroups of India. Jesus had the Romans and Jews. Martin Luther King Jr. had basically all of the southern white Americans, Muhammad Ali the same. Those people all ended up on the wrong side of history. They all spit the same rhetoric you are spitting today. That means, you will end up on the wrong side of this discussion and history. And that is not what I want to see. I wish everyone could go beyond their selfishness and their ego and their pride and help the person next to them. And I am not just speaking on race related issues, either. When women wanted equal treatment, people like you were opposed it. Same with homosexuals. And the arguments have never changed, "If they do this, why don't they do this or consider this or care about that"... same dumb, tragic, pathetic rhetoric. It is the 1950's all over again. It is the 1900's all over again. It is 33 ad all over again. I will never understand the logic behind it, I will never understand how people can be so awful, and I will never understand why people will try so hard to continue being so awful. The one thing I do know is, nothing changes unless those with the power to incite change use that power. Slavery in the United States was never going to end if people did not fight over it. And the Jim Crow era would still be here today if the marches and movements did not take place. To grow into something better requires the process of rebellion. However, in the case of civics, the process does not have to be painful; rather, pride, ego, and selfishness, make the process far more difficult than it should be. Should black and brown people be getting killed by police at an alarming rate? No. Then why would anyone decide to stand against the people that point that out and wish for it to change? Selfishness and pride.

Sorry for the rant.

"Then why would anyone decide to stand against the people that point that out and wish for it to change?"

Sometimes because those who wish for it to change don't always go about it the right way. Some riot and destroy property or hurt people who had nothing to do with any particular incident. Some block traffic potentially inhibiting the movements of emergency services. Some might go real hard and go sniping in Dallas.

Some just lie and others buy it without exercising any reasonable amount of skepticism:

1) Read the article. "Amazing news, Turkish Airlines granted us an airplane to fly to Somalia, a 60-ton cargo plane so we can fly there with food, with water for these people," He went with the relief aid.

2) You can speak your mind. I never said you cannot. I said you cannot make suggestions when all you do is speak your mind. At least, you cannot be taken seriously. Who in their right mind should or would respect you? I certainly do not and neither should anyone actually putting in the work. Your opinion, ultimately means nothing because you have no integrity behind it. So, you can speak your mind, but your suggestions add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Actually, you have added nothing to the conversation, really.

3) To even, "ask" such a question when there has been no evidence presented to the contrary is still an attempt at slander. Point blank, that is a slanderous or at least attempted slanderous question. That is all there is to it.

4) You cannot be serious with that reply. That may be the worst thing I have read this year. "He didn't ask for people to stop being killed or the killers to be held accountable correctly" may be the most insanely stupid thing I have read on the internet this year. At least for that you can have my congratulations. However, that is a very sad thing to say and very, very poor form. People are being murdered and someone has to, "ask the right way" for that to stop happening. Get right the fuck up on out of here with that bullshit. I cannot even respond to you anymore if that is the length you are willing to go to maintain your obviously antiquated and incorrect position. What a waste!

Last edited by GhaudePhaede010 - on 26 September 2018