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Replicant on 26 September 2018
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starcraft said:
Replicant said:

I think Forza Horizon is a great series that could leave the traditional simulation racers (e.g. Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport) in the dust due to being more fun (imo) and accessible. But I think you've mixed up a couple of things (see bold).

(1): Please consider using the abbreviation "FH3" for Forza Horizon 3. The game isn't called Forza Motorsport Horizon 3 and it really only makes sense to use "FM3" for Forza Motorsport 3. FH3 has nearly 10 mill total players which include players buying the game, borrowing the game, trying the demo, etc. Additionally, some analysts speculate whether Microsoft counts the game twice if you try the same copy on both XB1 and PC. Gran Turismo Sport has no demo but still has 5 mill total players in under a year (FH3 is 2 years old). So I think it's difficult to compare these corporate "total player numbers" 1 to 1.

(2): Forza Horizon 3 doesn't have a "much smaller userbase". It has a much larger userbase. XB1 has a userbase of 38.7 mill and Windows 10 has a userbase of 700 mill.

The game is great but let's not deliberately make the comparison to other games skewed.

Thats a pretty unreasonable accusation. I explicitly noted that nowhere near all 10m players were likely to have bought the game - i suggested half as an appropriate metric.

As to your second point, the sales listed on VGC are purely for XB1. Whilst I am sure that MS includes the PC numbers in their total players, I have never seen a single person on these boards assert that PC is likely to be a significant number of FH3's sales - especially given its on the MS store not Steam or Origin.

Telling me I am skewing comparisons and then suggesting there are 700m Win 10 users that might viably have an interest and a machine capable of running a AAA game is pretty rich.

So we should ignore them completely instead? Ok. In that case, you're right. Forza Horizon 3 has a smaller userbase of potential buyers than Gran Turismo Sport.

I'm done being off topic. I don't know why it was necessary to bring up the sales comparison between Forza Horizon (arcade racing) and Gran Turismo (simulation racing) in the first place. Thread is about the great metascore of Forza Horizon 4. Let's just celebrate that and leave out the petty digs.