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superchunk said:
OhNoYouDont said:

I'm having trouble understanding why you think "most" stories are true, especially given the commonality of folklore in human history. If someone tells me that they saw a man do a superman flyover in NYC I'd be searching for a video of this awesome feat, I wouldn't simply believe this individual. I'm not sure if you're saying that you're gullible or that your standards for what you will believe are not very rigid.

When DNA was introduced in court for example, nearly 1/3rd of criminals convicted on eyewitnesses testimony were exonerated. Humans are not cameras, they have terrible memories and are terribly unobservant. Each time you access a memory it degrades.

I am interested in what you mean by this miracle stuff, mostly what you mean by miracle. To me a miracle is a suspension of the natural order. A planet suddenly zooming away from its galaxy at the speed of light and suddenly appearing in our Milky Way galaxy and in our very solar system. Something that violates the laws of physics. To my knowledge, no such event has ever taken place.

You also seem to be equivocating the inexplicable with the miraculous and I think that's an enormous mistake. Some time ago you'd be claiming that eclipses were miracles. We know better, and as we learn more the events people claim are miracles shrink to zero. The god of the gaps is fading away like casper. 

I don't know what more to say. You mentioned you studied computer science so I'm dumbfounded by your willingness to embrace the stories of people over objective evidence. It's just not logical, nor prudent.

The root of my point is that stories have a nugget of truth much of the time. Yes, people get it wrong and over time the story continues to grow and grow to the fantastical. Yet, even today you have people who have stories of dying (proven medical records of being considered dead for x time) and seeing their body, others, things that happened while they were clearly dead. These stories are not limited to 1 religious group or civilization either. I agree my usage of miracle is probably a poor word choice and inexplicable is better as I was referring mostly to medical healing, etc as there is a lot of specific data and evidence from qualified professionals to take into consideration.

I do think there is some sort of spiritual connection in all life and to me that is the root of God. Matter doesn't vanish, it transforms. To me, existence is finite and interconnected at a level we cannot comprehend or measure, yet. I theorize that that interconnection is governed by itself through a combination of layers of universal, natural laws, as well as chaos. This interconnection has a some form of self-awareness and can influence itself (all of use and everything) at some level.

I'm confident that if we as a species can avoid the pitfalls of extinction (self-caused or chaos induced), then we will get to a point of being able to understand, commune, and manipulate this universal interconnection. My view as this interconnection is what we'd agree to as God or IMO, the very basis of existence is God because God is Existence. Everything is part of God.

Well I mean, okay sure I'm with you on the flood narratives and we have evidence of localized floods occurring. But, let's suppose most of these flood accounts also mentioned that some alien caused the floods. At what point do you take a step back and say okay some of this is true and some of this is fantasy? How do you decide on the fact versus the fantasy exactly? It is just the number of stories or is there more to it?

Your brain continues to function for a period of time after your heart stops beating. These dead people were more accurately nearly dead or will die without intervention. They are cool cases because not much science exists in this area yet. The AWARE study recently released its initial findings. The goal of the study was to research NDEs and in particular out of body experiences. While it didn't confirm any out of body experiences, it did confirm 1 case where the patient seemingly recalled events from a period of time when brain activity was not expected. 

I'm not sure what you mean by spiritual connection, sounds a bit like star wars to me. I do not see any reason to suspect any link between disconnected matter blobs. 

I would say the Universe is all that exists. I don't see where any gods come into play. For me, you're staring at a glass of water and saying that there are other molecules in there besides H2O, and I'm saying okay where is your evidence and you're unable to supply any. So at the end of the day why would I believe you, and more importantly why do you believe you?