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WolfpackN64 said:
JWeinCom said:

You are again saying two contradictory things.

If it is a deductive argument that is indeed valid, then I could not accept the premises and deny the conclusion, unless I am myself being irrational, which doesn't seem to be what you're implying.

So, I'm going to go ahead and accept the five premises.  If I accept all of those as true, do I now have to believe that God exists as a necessary being?  If not, the conclusion does not necessarily follow the premises, and the argument is invalid. 

An argument can be valid in two ways. It can be formally valid, because it's a proper deductive argument. And it can be factually valid, because the premisses and conclusions are actually true.

That the cosmological argument is formally valid is not in question. The only question is if it is factually valid. Which I hold it is.

No, that the cosmological argument, as you have presented it, is formally valid is in question.  Because I'm questioning it. We have to establish that it is valid before we can even begin to address soundness (which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be what you mean by factually valid).  

So let, me repeat my question.  You seem to get quite irritated when you feel people do not respond to your argument, so please respond to my question.  It's a pretty simple yes or no question.

I'm going to accept the five premises.  If I do this, do I now have to conclude that God exists as a necessary being?