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WolfpackN64 on 10 September 2018
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Alara317 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You make me sigh every time you post.

1. It's an extrapolation.  There are suspected to be 40 billion in Milky Way.  Why should we suspect drastic differences in other galaxies?  Certainly some will have less and some will have more.  More specifically, it would be against physics if they didn't. And you're still talking about Earth-like planets.  Why do you keep ignoring the fact life will most likely be found on an icy planet?

2. Why would it decrease?  Why can't it increase?  Until you provide a valid reason why it would decrease, I'm going to arbitrarily claim it will increase.  Icy planets, think about them.

3. Irrelevant.  Being classified a planet is not necessarily a requirement for creating and sustaining life.  Did you not read what I wrote a few posts ago about Titan and Europa possible having life?  Those are moons.

4. Do you not understand the difference between looking for Earth-like planets and looking for life?  That is a significantly different goal.  Using the transit detection methods (Kepler) is not going to tell us if single celled organisms are swimming around in a liquid methane ocean or not. 

But this is again an issue with you not understanding scope, scale and time.  Many of the planets and stars we are observing no longer even exist.  And many that do exist we can't observe yet (light hasn't reached us).  If you are expecting to receive radio signals from an alien life, you may get disappointed.  Humans have existed for nearly 2 million years but have only been capable of radio communications for a tiny fraction of it (little more than 100 years).  13.8 billion year old universe and only 100 years of it have our own radio communications.  Should we really expect that all intelligent alien life to exist on the same time frame as ourselves?  Do you not understand that a radio signal from a planet from another galaxy 5 billion light years away is going to take 5 billion years to get here? To say nothing about our ability to recognize it as an alien signal to being with. 

5. It's not chance, it's physics and chemistry.  Is it chance that gravity exists on Earth?  Is it chance that hydrogen and oxygen bond to form water? 

6. Again, Pluto was simply reclassified.  Had nothing to do with observing it or the surrounding region better.  We reclassified it because we changed our working definition of the word 'planet'.  The reclassification doesn't alter anything about Pluto.  It doesn't change whether think it could support life or not.

7. Pennies on the dollar.  Currently 0.47% of the federal budget. The lowest percentage since year 3 of NASA's history (1960).  $568 billion total spent since 1958 (60 years).  Our military budget is higher than that each year.

You are clearly wasting your time. The theists in this thread are only interested in anecdotal evidence and logical fallacies to prove their point while ineptly failing to counter yours. (You, pemalite, and a few others). They have not succeeded in disproving your stance and have done a poor job explaining/justifying theirs; at this point they might as well be trolling because they seem to only be interested in wasting your time and are succeeding. 

I once had a 6 month long debate with a very intelligent friend of mine about religion with essay-long rebuttals shared every week and what it boiled down to was her saying she 'believes that God is real because the bible says so and since the bible has some elements that match with real world history and it was written by God himself, it must be infallible'. Very disappointing, because she was in the medical field and was otherwise very intelligent but utterly failed at utilizing logic to justify her stance. 

My point is, once someone has decided they believe in a God, there's very little you can do to shake that faith. No amount of logic, reason, philosophy, or science will make them waver when their own mytholgy has a built-in catch-all argument in "God works in mysterious ways and is infallible". Needless to say, there's a reason I don't bother debating with them any longer. I ask questions hoping for them to maybe come to terms with their fallacious viewpoints, but that clearly doesn't work. Point is, actively debating with theists is a waste of time and will only serve to frustrate you. 

The logic works perfectly fine, it's mostly you guys who read some logical fallacies on wikipedia and are using them on everything you deem applicable even when it's not. Stop trying to claim the rational high ground, you left it a long time ago.