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Snoopy on 04 September 2018
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SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

First of all, in order for there to be life like we have, you have to have a planet with resources, not just stars. Bringing up stars is completely pointless. It's like saying we have a billion men on an island by themselves and expecting a baby to be born through natural means.  A lot more is in play then just stars, to say the least.

I believe there are aliens obviously, however in order for there to be life a lot of things have to happen. Even if all the material is there, doesn't mean something will be created by itself. It's also hard to imagine to have all the things we got by chance just cause one reaction occurring after another and nothing going wrong. Also, your lottery interpretation is way off. The odds are more like a 1 in a hundred trillion. Each solar system is a separate lottery competition and that's probably an understatement.

Did you miss where I talked about the planets?  "Many of those 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars have planets."  That's an incredible number of life supporting planets.  And that's just the observable universe.  The whole universe is dramatically bigger.  Again, we don't even have a number for it bigger.

And yes, it did require a lot of things to go right.  So imagine how many planets started and failed to create or sustain life.  Earth isn't unique.  There are literally trillions of planets with Earth-like characteristics in the universe.  And you don't even completely need Earth-like characteristics for life to happen.  As I mentioned, we are more likely to find life that thrives in an icy environment than something like Earth.

My 1 in 1 million example was just that.  An example.  It was to demonstrate that if you have every possible combination you are guaranteed to win. Did you notice I immediately began talking about far bigger numbers?  1 million is small enough for us to wrap our heads around.  Our brains can't deal with numbers like 4,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.  Oh, and if the odds were 1 in 100 trillion, fine, there is certainly that many planets in the entire universe.  Hell, even if each star had 1 planet in the observable universe and the 1 in 100 trillion odds were in play, that would still leave 40 billion planets that beat the odds and must have life on them.  And again, that's just the observable universe. 

And no, each solar system is not a separate lottery.  That doesn't even make any sense.

Yes, but how many of those planets have resources that can sustain life? Not many and not to mention there has to be life itself as well. I never said there isn't alien life, but it didn't just appear by chance which is the point you are missing. Also, each solar system is like one lotto ticket for a separate game since each one is completely different and has it own rules so to speak in some regards. 

The bottom line:  You can't actually believe the universe without a consciousness can create everything we have today by chance. Most of the things we enjoy today (technology, buildings/infastructue,most of our food/resource, etc) were made by someone with consciousness. Earth itself is much more complex and advanced than all of the items I mentioned. There is no way it could be created by chance.