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JWeinCom said:
Dota2Gamer said:

My apologies if my attempt to explain my argument in a simpler form has caused a confusion. I can assure you that this is just semantics.

Matter has mass, and mass is a form of energy. All energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed in one form or another. Thus, my point still stands, what triggers this infinite energy known to Science as the initial singularity to prompt a Big Bang explosion that caused the birth of time matter and space?

Removing faith into the equation, the least an Atheist and Christians can agree on is that, we don't know. Until we know everything, Atheism is just like a Religion. It is just another belief, whether you are an Atheist or a Christian, you choose your poison. But for Atheists to claim that it is scientific to deny God is a bit irrational given that Science has not yet answered anything. At least Christians have their lousy excuse called "Faith" while Atheist hides behind Science which does not explain anything "yet". Atheists can deny God, go. But call it an opinion and don't present it as fact.

As stated by David Berlinski, an Atheist himself, states:

“Has anyone provided proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close. Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe or why it is here? Not even close. Have our sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close. Are physicists and biologists willing to believe in anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough. Has rationalism and moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough. Has secularism in the terrible 20th century been a force for good? Not even close, to being close. Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy in the sciences? Close enough. Does anything in the sciences or their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even in the ball park. Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on.”

I'm sort of confused... I explained, I think quite clearly, that I do not necessarily reject or deny god and that most atheist don't do this either... And then you have a whole thing about why it's wrong to deny god?  And you should clearly know that atheists do not necessarily deny god, since you just quoted an atheist who doesn't deny god.

You're presenting a straw man argument.  To be clear again.  I don't deny god in general (although I may deny specific gods if they are defined.  I don't see any good evidence, so I don't believe.  If someone provided good evidence, I would believe.  

Edit:  If you are defining atheism as someone who rejects god, and you also call Berlinski an atheist, when he clearly does not, then you are contradicting yourself.

I wouldn't worry too much. Dota2Gamer has created their own interpretation of an atheist. Religious people do this all the time.  They can't even agree on what their holy texts say. The only conclusion that is in agreement is that there is a deity. Otherwise, it is an argument about their interpretation of their holy texts and what they believe to be the "true" god. 
It is quite fascinating.