Do you believe in God? Why/Why not?

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SpokenTruth said:

WolfpackN64 said:

Again, no contradiction. But I think that's a language mistake. When I sais "everything is caused", I mean it in the sense of cause and effect, as in moved (and potentially brought in to being).

Then number 6 is just a convenient enabling device.  The watchmaker, kick starter, domino knocker over, etc....    It's just an insert here to make my logic work.

It's like Peh said.  It's a convenient stop gap to make the logic work.

1. Steal socks.
2. *insert profit making sock stealing scheme*
3. Profit.

It's only there because the previous 5 steps were premised to require step 6 to wrap it up all up.  Step 1 here (stealing socks) is just like the premise of step 1 in the cosmological argument. There is a presumption there that begins with the notion that we know all.  Do we know stolen socks can be profitable?  Do we know that what exists is cased by how we currently know they are caused? 

What if space-time has always been there?  What if it had no beginning and no end as we understand them?  What if, as our current understanding of space-time goes, time and space are so incredibly warped as you go back in time that a time zero (prior to the 'big bang') simply doesn't exist?  Or, has has always existed and we revert back to it in a cosmological big bang/big contraction cycle?

 

The cosmological argument is premised on presumption and relies on our ignorance to conclude something we must make up to make up for our ignorance.

We actually know for a fact (this has been experimentally proven) that gravity slows down time.  In a situation where we have a singularity then (the universe prior to the big bang) it's very likely (almost certain) that time as we understand it did not exist.