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Alara317 on 27 August 2018
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EnricoPallazzo said:
Alara317 said:

Then what created God? If a cell's inner mechanisms are so beyond you that you can only fathom it being created by a higher being, then what created God? Where did God come from? What designed God? Who could possibly be so more advanced that it created the thing that created the thing that baffles you? 

Honestly, it's this sort of logic that makes me double down on my stance. This sort of 'it's complicated and it confuses me, therefore it must be god' ideal that is at the crux of everything wrong with every pro-god argument. 

In the end, it just boils down to "I do not know, therefore God acts as a metaphor for that which is beyond my understanding". Has been that way since day one and will continue to be that was as long as there are answers we do not yet know. 

And yes, I know you didn't say you 'don't understand' how the cell works, but the fact that a divine creator is the only way you can fathom such things occurring does show a form of ignorance that fits the same narrative. 

Your answer is exactly why I usually do no enter this type of discussion. I wish I could have the answers for everything in the universe, like what existed before the big bang, how the universe can be infinite, what exists outside of it, where the matter that comprises the WHOLE universe came from and that condensed in a veru very small space before that big bang, or why atheist people are so intolerant sometimes, despite in theory being at the "reason" side of the discussion. And where god came from of course.

But I stand for what I said. The more I understand how the "micro" works in the nature, the more its clear for me it could not have been there by a mere huge sequence of fortunate lucky moves.

Then you clearly can't comprehend how large the universe really is or how old it truly is. The amount of chemical reactions taking place at any given moment is virtually infinite, and that's happening every one of the trillions of seconds all over the universe. Life on this planet is said to have started 4.28 billion years ago. The universe is said to be 13.8 billion years old. 

That's over 9.5 billion years where nothing happened. An infinite number of chemical reactions mixing and matching in infinite patterns for 9.52 billion years. If you don't believe that THOSE odds don't eventually lead to life, then that's fine, but don't pretend the numbers aren't there. 

If there was a god, I'm sure it wouldn't take him 9.5 billion years to take his first step on this planet. Especially considering how long it took to get to this point from there. Hell, even the time of the dinosaurs (about 320 million years ago to 65 million years ago) was, on the universal scale, like yesterday.