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contestgamer on 25 August 2018
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NightlyPoe said:
contestgamer said:

I'd argue they're trying to self denial actually and not self acceptance. The difference between gay rights and trans rights is that gays want to be accepted for who they were born as, while trans want to be accepted for who they wished they were born as. 

It's both really.  They wish to self-accept that they would be happier living the life of another sex, but wish to deny the reality that they are not.  Hence you get situations like the one this thread is based around.

I don't believe these are irreconcilable though.  If a person feels like they would be happier living such a life, that's fine.  Differences in gender are largely socially defined constructs anyway.  And if they wish to mold their bodies into something that makes them feel more comfortable in living such a life, that's their business.

But acceptance of what they are also needs to be a part of it.  Whatever differences are being made are, in the end, cosmetic.  If that lingering fact causes pain, then they need to seek help in addressing it.  And the medical community needs to help bridge the gap between wish and reality instead of hand-waving it and declaring a falsehood to be true.

Yeah but nobody is against trans people having the right to make cosmetic changes to themselves, or to believe whatever they believe about themselves. The problem is that this is being forced out in to society at large to accept. It's the rest of us that now need to accept gender neutral bathrooms, compelled pronoun use, so on and so forth. Unfortunately even if they want self acceptance by your definition, they're also looking for social acceptance, which the problem. Not acceptance in the way of live and let live, but acceptance in the way of forcing a change in how society operates.