setsunatenshi said:
Not so easy if you ignore the meaning of the words we are using.
If there is no time before the universe, there is no cause to the universe. A cause necessitates a unit of time "before" the event you're trying to justify. This might be the reason why you're convinced this argument holds any weight. And to be fair the concept of time not existing is something very hard for the common person to imagine, which is why, no matter how many times it's debunked, it keeps being brought forward time and time again. It's a limit on the person evaluating the argument, not on the refutation |
I don't think you can be too sure of your argument. All you did is make time and the existance of the universe contingent on each other. In a chain of a cause and effect, that would make them both effects of a cause. Otherwise you have your virtual particles again, which you can't be sure of they "pop into existence" and our universe sure as hell isn't a virtual particle. In any case, it started with a massive singularity. Our knowledge of what the rules concerning singularities are are still limited. So unless a supermassive singularity can certainly cause itsel, it's just another link in the chain.
