Hiku said:
bananaking21 said:
"women being Included" is not an issue. It's the history inaccuracy and political agendas being pushed that people had issues with. The gaming community and userbase clearly has no issue with women being in games, Horizon, Tomb Raider, TLou and many other games prove this. I can understand the point you were trying to make (or assume that you were trying to make), but your wording is just very wrong |
Battlefield was never trying to be historically accurate. They are what-if scenario's based around actual events. It's what could have happened if things were different. "We are not history tellers" they said. "We leave that to other games."
There are not only several story scenarios in previous Battlefield games that never happened, but some of them are even intentionally unrealistic. Such as the story scenario written for how they crash land a plane into a zeppelin, and then walk around on top of it.
The amount of people who gloss over these things is astonishing. And when this is brought to their attention, some move the goalpost to "Historical accuracy doesn't matter for the story. But it does for the overall premise/setting."
Okay, sure...
And I disagree. People commonly have issues with women in games, as long as they can find one single little reason to complain about it.
Lara Croft was always a woman, so they have to leave that one alone. Horizon though? There were plenty of complaints about it having a female lead being a political statement, even on our forums. Though since they didn't have the "historical accuracy" angle to use back then, it didn't blow up as much as Battlefield 5. I can specifically name someone (because I'll never forget this comment) who in the Horizon topic said "Women should only have a lead role in games if there's a specific story related reason for it. Like in Alien: Isolation, or TloU"
For Alien: Isolation, he was referring to how the main character gives birth to an alien. Because only a woman can do that...
And in The Last of Us, Ellie serves as a replacement for Joel's lost daughter.
In other words, women need to have very specific and well written reasons for being in lead roles. Men don't.
And this is not an uncommon idea. We see this a lot in all forms of media, not just in regards to women, but minorities, people of color, different sexuality, etc.
Some people in this very topic for example had a big problem with a character in the Han Solo movie having a different sexuality even briefly alluded to in an interview outside of the film. It didn't affect anything in the movie whatsoever. That was enough for them to want the movie to crash and burn.
They demand that anything that doesn't check every box on the white, straight, male checklist is more well written.
Otherwise it's 'pandering to *insert something*'. Never mind the thousands of movies and games that no doubt pander to the preference of white/straight/male, including myself.
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Dice went out and stated that their reasoning for the inclusion of women on the front line and black dudes with katana (seriously, a fucking katana) is to support their political agenda. Which is inclusion and diversity. Now those two political agendas are good. But in this case they came in the way of artists integrity. You need to accept that a lot of people have an issue with that, and not with women in games.
I for one find it rather insulting that Dice and EA couldn't include a rather realistic story about women on that era in Battlefield 5. Instead of trying to accurately portay the women of WW2 and their stories and actual struggles, they had to dismiss the women of that time because they don't fit the "PC" view of women today. and had to make a "badass" woman who can "do what ever a man can do" and have her for some reason have a prosthetic arm.
Instead of portraying the real women of WW2 they gave us a joke of a character. If a WW2 setting isn't "PC" enough for them, then don't fucking make one, if they want a fictional WW2 setting, then go all out on it and make a decent fictional WW2 like Wolfenstien, nobody is complaining that there were female soldiers in that game.
