| vivster said: Demand won't arise if nobody makes a first step. This is the first step. |
I am not saying they shouldn't take the first step.
I am saying they shouldn't devote as many resources as they have to it, it's a gamble on nVidia's behalf... Even Anandtech recognized that as well.
| vivster said: After this gen people will certainly demand more from the next gen and also more from the games. Nvidia can also not afford to lose the edge in conventional rendering, so they will have a careful eye on that. |
Well. Conventional rendering will be around next gen.
Ray Tracing is not something that is going to happen overnight, heck the 7th gen consoles were leveraging ray tracing to a minor degree, especially in deferred renderers.
| vivster said: If it so happens that AMD is marginally beating them, they will certainly overthink their design. I should be thankful for AMD's lack of competition to allow Nvidia this freedom. |
Well. It's not a good thing giving nVidia this much freedom, it hasn't done the pockets of consumers any favors.
Not to mention this might be one of the smallest generational GPU performance jumps in recent memory.
| vivster said: Do you expect Navi to beat the 2080 Ti? Because that's why I said the next AMD GPU that tries to compete with Nvidia. Navi doesn't seem to do that. |
Navi will loose.
Navi is derived from the same old Graphics Core Next design which has been on the market since 2012 (6! years ago.)
It's old, inefficient, unbalanced and lacks modern features that nVidia has been flaunting since Maxwell.
AMD's next-gen which comes after Navi though is where all bets are off.
Part of AMD's issue is that GPU's take years to design, so the current products we see were the result of choices made years ago when AMD was at it's worst.
Plus AMD only separated it's graphics division from it's CPU division a year or two ago... And only recently has AMD had any substantial amounts of capital at it's disposal to invest in R&D.
So AMD's Next-Gen design will be where it is at. Navi is just more of the same, an iterative update.
| JEMC said: Now here's something that, if true, could be... controversial: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 does not have NVLINK With Pascal, NVIDIA removed the SLI connector from GeForce GTX 1060, which was occupying the most popular segment for graphics card owners. The criticism had no meaning to NVIDIA, it was a business decision to avoid cannibalizing GTX 1080 sales (two 1060 would be faster than 1080). The story continues. The GeForce RTX 2070 might not even be using TU104 GPU, but a mid-range TU106 instead. The card clearly has a different board and different Device ID. It seems that the whole GPU segmentation has shifted and we are now paying more for the same GPU-classes than before. |
I don't get why they don't just use the PCI-E bus and be done with, AMD's found great success in that approach.
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