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Pemalite said: 

haxxiy said:

Mmm, I'm a bit skeptical of the long-term success of Nvidia turning their backs on the hardware design that propelled them to greatness in the first place: unified compute engines and nothing else inside their GPUs. It feels like they've contracted IBM's disease, though IBM had Intel selling more efficient and simpler hardware to keep them in their place. On the other hand AMD, though, designed what was possibly their worst GPU ever since buying ATI (and subject to the same "disease", with all of Vega's useless bells and whistles).

The fact nVidia are willing to reserve so much silicon to propriety features may actually play into AMD's hands in the long run anyway.

If anyone remembers the Geforce FX for example... Allot of that chips issues was due to the fact it retained allot of the older fixed-function hardware which consumed die-space that ATI with the Radeon 9700 Pro pretty much dedicated to improving it's overall performance, especially in SM2 scenarios... End result was that ATI pretty much utterly dominated that era.

 

HoloDust said:

Pemalite said:

The fact nVidia are willing to reserve so much silicon to propriety features may actually play into AMD's hands in the long run anyway.

If anyone remembers the Geforce FX for example... Allot of that chips issues was due to the fact it retained allot of the older fixed-function hardware which consumed die-space that ATI with the Radeon 9700 Pro pretty much dedicated to improving it's overall performance, especially in SM2 scenarios... End result was that ATI pretty much utterly dominated that era.

Yeah, FX series is what immediately popped to mind when i was reading about RTX cards - FX was when I dropped nVidia for ATI (9800 Pro, I had Ti4400 before that) - if AMD has any sense they will release fairly conservative hardware that uses all die space to improve performance in current and near future games and get back in the game.

I think people are overlooking the fact that they didn't actually compromise much space in the chip and instead just made it bigger to compensate. The 2080Ti still has a considerable upgrade in CUDA cores.Even if AMD puts out a conservative GPU they won't eclipse the rasterization performance by much, if at all. Also, the RT and Tensor cores aren't like PhysX, as in a very niche and proprietary feature. They work together with DX and they are very broadly applicable to games without much special input from the devs. RT is without a doubt the future of gaming and Tensor cores can help with a variety of tasks. For now it's just gimmicks because the hardware behind it is still too weak to actually accomplish properly what it promises but you have to start somewhere. The sooner devs get familiar with these new opportunities, the better.

Now we just have to hope that the RT and AI functionality that will eventually pop up in AMD GPUs are similar enough in framework to that in Nvidia chips.