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Chazore said:

JEMC said:

So you mean that I misunderstood your comment? Well, I don't know you enough so it could be that. I also sound different in person than in messages.

But I still believe that it was a bit aggressive, as if my comments regarding Steam somehow offended you, and part of that may come from comments like "Valve aren't voted "Worst company in the world" twice, which should tell you something when comparing one company to another." Yes, EA is a shitty company and we all know it, but here we're casually talking about one of its products, Origin, not the parent company makes money. And Origin, while limited, is not a bad product, and the same goes for other clients (except apparently for UPlay if there's more people suffering the same problems as Pemalite).

It's not like you're going to stop buying a product from, say Nestle, just because it's one of the worst (if not the worst) companies on Earth, right? We can separate one thing from the other.

And yes, you're right that Valve hasn't destroyed its past franchises like EA. They have simply stopped doing them anymore . And I honestly don't know why you're putting PCGamer into this discussion. I only use their PC news, no the others.

As for why other stores don't have a Workshop like feature, and don't know (too demanding server wise?, possible copyright problems?, they simply leave it to sites like ModDB or Nexus Mods?, whatever) and I honestly don't care.

Besides, why are so defensive towards Steam when a few weeks ago you were talking sh!t about it and asking for other clients like GOG to throw their no DRM principle out of the window in order to have more games and compete with Steam? Doesn't that go against your market fragmentation complains? I honestly don't understand what's going on with you.

Well, you would know me more if you at least talked to me once in a while. I do spend a good deal of time over on the VGC Discord server.

IT was a bit, because I strongly believe that the "competition" is not as pro consumer as you would argue them to be. GoG is the only player out there in the market that goes all the way with DRM free gaming and actually cares for the consumers. The rest are largely for themselves first and maybe just a bit for the consumer here and there when it suits them and suits for PR statements. 

I know there are some that completely give not a crap out mod support or modding, but that's their opinion, not a fact, not that it matters because at the end of the day, modding exists, a lot, and I mean a lot of people really love modding their games, so saying "modding doesn't matter" in itself means nothing, because that group doesn't want to be involved nor see mods, so what they say ultimately becomes white noise to me. Though when said group argues that mdoding isn't important and that the competition do not need it, that's when I will pick up on agression, because the previous statement itself does come off as being passive agressive whether you want to acknowledge it or not. One group doesn't care for something and wants others to follow in their footsteps, while another just wants support for something they love and to see it grow, the prior group wants to stunt and diminish said growth. Who do you think I'm likely to be agressive against?, I mean it becomes obvious as to the correct answer.

If you don't like modding, you don't need to say nowt about it, you can just not say anything at all and it will not affect your life or what goes on around it. Folks like myself can continue to press on for mod support and the modding community, while getting on with our lives, and then no aggression has to be given at the end of the day.

See while you claim they are not bad products, I don't think they are good ones either. The lack of mod support, the higher prices to pay, the always online requirements, lack of guides, lack of built in forums, lack of really good deals (really, really good deals, not just on the client either), just ultimately kills the clients for me in general.

I took a good long look at how hard it was for me to log onto WoW via an EU server account to a US one, and just how insanely adamant Blizzard was at stopping people from playing together. I honestly don't care whatever argument that can be tossed to excuse them, it is not pro-consumer and it is not "good".

You can stop buying something from a company based on how you feel about them, as well as their practices, business decisions, PR statements etc. Trying to turn them into something friendly and nice isn't really a consumer argument, it's more a "I'm for the business" argument than anything else. You think Origin is the bees knees?, that's great, but outside of that it doesn't do anything for me. Not being aggressive, that's honestly how I view opinions on storefronts that aren't as pro-consumer or are as good as what I've previously experienced.

I added them in due to how they talked about the Win 10 storefront as well as others in the past. 

Hey, at least Valve are actually making games for PC gamers, not EA who's making games for console gamers and charging insanely high prices for console ports  

I know you don't care about modding, but that is honestly completely irrelevant because you don't care means you have zero input and zero anything to add. Again, me being honest. I like modding and want to see it grow, you don't care, thus you have nothing to do nor add to that community, which means you've nothing to toss into the ring. Again, understand that it is not aggression, it is me telling you that you don't care, which is fine, but you also have nothing to give nor take because you do not care and do not want to be involved. 

It's not being more defensive towards Steam, it's more me wanting the competition to stop acting lazy and actually take pages from a client that actually gives me what I actually want. I know you don't care for mod support or probably any other feature Steam has, but I do, and your I don't care" isn't to stop me from voicing what I want, let alone devalue it. See "I don't care" which then becomes "I'll argue why I don't care and why it matters over you caring", that's when aggression starts to rise. 

I asked GoG to throw their DRM Free out the window?. No I said that it's their own fault that they stick with it. It's them sticking with DRM free that limits what they can obtain and grow with, simply because all the other publishers and studios out there love to roll with some form of DRM, which GoG doesn't want and thus misses out on in terms of added games to their storefront. IF they do not change how their approach works, then they will forever stay in a specific spot within the market, and not reach anywhere past Steam.

The market as it currently is, is already fragmented. If anything it's becoming more and more fragmented, with publishers out there wanting more and more money, while at the same time loving to do away with consumer convenience, which is why we're seeing some pubs taking their games from Steam and selling them on their own crappy (don't really care if you think they are good or not, the foot goes down) clients. Consumer convenience with PC gaming is going down due to this, as well as getting less and less features. I posted that thread on client competition with data gathered from the features used/not used within multiple clients, which alone adds to a testament that the other clients lack in features and competition, because they do not wish to compete, they just wish to make a lot of money for less effort.

Please let me clarify a couple of things:

1) I'm not a very social person. I don't mind having discussions like this on the forum or through messages and wall posts, but I usually don't go further than that. Also, I'm not on the VGC Discord server and I have no interest in joining either.

2) My "and I honestly don't care" comment wasn't regarding modding. It was my answer to your (probably rethorical) question about why other clients don't have a modding section: "What other store bothers with something like the Steam workshop?, no one, do you know why? (and I'd hazard a guess that you do)." I though that was clear give nthe context of my answer, and I'm honestly surprised you could take it that way. After all, I didn't care for modding I wouldn't post the articles about it on the news?

3) While the "throw DRM away" was an obvious exaggeration from my side, it's true that you hoped for them to abandon this idea because you believe that it would bring more games to their store and make it a competing platform against Steam. Meanwhile I think the no DRM policy is their biggest asset, and that losing it would make them more harm than good, as there would be no oojective reason to buy games from it instead that from Steam (besides price, where Steam usually can offer the best deal due to its size).

And that's all I had to say about all this. I really feel this discussion has lasted more than it should and is no longer fun, so I won't keep it alive.