I Have Lost Faith in My Province's Politics

[o_O.Q]

SpokenTruth said:

o_O.Q said:

i acknowledged that just because someone uses a title, that doesn't automatically mean that their actions/policies are in alignment with that title

 

that's not the case with the nazis since their policies, just about all of them, were socialist policies, most or maybe all of which socialists are clamoring for today in america

a retort being thrown around is that some of the policies existed before the nazis... but so what? they still promoted and enforced those policies while they were in power so its a silly argument to make

Similarities of policy or concepts being used as means to decry a policy is intellectually dishonest.  With regards to the Nazis...were some polices on the left?  Yes, but with right wing ideologies mixed in.  Socialized X but only for Y people.  How was their immigration policy?  Wasn't military adventurism a core tenet?  Nationalism was also pretty central. They outlawed the Social Democratic Party and even sent leaders to their deaths.  Basically, they bastardized the right and the left and using either political, economic or ideological side as ammo against the other because of some connection to the Nazis is ignorant.

Totalitarianism can make any policy, left or right, sound horrible.

"How was their immigration policy?  "

sure depending on your perspective you could argue that this is a right leaning policiy

but, are you equating socialism with international socialism? seems to me like you are, as far as i know socialism generally is a concept that is bound to a particular community

to extent it beyond that is moving into international socialism

do socialists want open borders? i'm not so sure on that one... if they do then it makes their ideology even more stupid for obvious reasons

 

"Wasn't military adventurism a core tenet?"

many socialists would argue that violence is a core part of socialism... necessary to seize the means of production for control by workers/the state

 

"Nationalism was also pretty central."

i don't necessarily see a contradiction between nationalism and socialism

nationalism is the emphasis on the importance of the state... socialism is the means of transferring control of the means of production to the state

 

"They outlawed the Social Democratic Party and even sent leaders to their deaths."

i didn't argue that socialists are loyal people but regardless people persecuting people with a similar ideology is not something that is unheard of throughout history

when the soviets came to power there was much conflict and murder between the people that came to power, which does not take away from the fact that they all were allies to begin with

i don't understand why people think that this is a point considering that you can observe this behavior over different situations through history

jeez just the other day feminists fought to throw women out of jobs as grid girls while holding the banner as being the group in society to fight for women's freedom

 

" Basically, they bastardized the right and the left and using either political, economic or ideological side as ammo against the other because of some connection to the Nazis is ignorant."

as i have stated continuously, i consider the political affiliation of an entity to be determined by its policies/actions

when i look at socialised healthcare, government control over business, extensive child care services, state funded education, gun control and on and on and on

the vast majority of their policies are the same policies that dominate socialist talking points of today and that is where my conclusion is coming from