Koch Brothers own study says that Universal Healthcare is cheaper than current US system

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Aeolus451 said:

CosmicSex said:

I would like to think that if you knew that I was personally effected by this that you would at least reconsider your stance.  Cost here in the states are preventing me from getting care that I need. I have insurance and a relatively good job.  And still my out of pocket is too high. With a program like UHC, I wouldn't be in pain now. 

The vast majority of countries in the world either have free health care or universal health care.  I will be damned if I let you trick me into thinking that my suffering is 'better' when the care I need is avaliable abroad.  Your perspective is creeping me out.  You make it about what you need right now without having the ability to see the bigger picture.   If you needed Health Care and couldn't afford it, would you then have a change of heart?

But I think the tides are turning and I will prove it by making you a promise.  In 20 years, if something should happen and you need medical care, you will get it here in the US without having to worry about costs because will will not stop fighting for you and each other.  UHC will be law mark my words.  People will look around and say "you know what we can do better and our neighbors are showing us a method that we might be able to make work for us".  We will continue to drive medical advancements and you will be able to afford it because the comparison you made is just a logical fallacy and not intrinsic to some threat presented by access to care. 

I would save you without a second thought. 

I believe that the majority of healthcare is a service and sickly people are not entitled to it at the expense of everyone. No one is stopping you from making more money to buy what you want. Change plans or something. I do need some stuff done that's expensive but I don't think I'm entitled to it at no cost to me. Life saving treatments/meds/procedure are the only things I consider that people have an entitlement with at low cost.

 In my opinion, insurance companies are the main contributing factor in why healthcare is so expensive. I think the healthcare insurance system needs to be reworked to reduce the costs and change what's covered or done away with completely. Maybe replace it with a cash only/affordable financing for expensive treatments. I noticed that most of the meds/treatments not covered by insurance are priced reasonably.  I completely disagree with UHC. Just because some people are doing something doesn't make it the smart or right choice.

Health should be an entitlement.  And we already have it in the form of medicare.  Insurance companies are for profit organizations and the money that goes into funding them could e redirected to health providers.  I don't see their purpose as well all agree they are just raising costs.   The fact that 3/4 of all people that go bankrupt because of medical bill ALSO have insurance means that Health Care needs cost control ASAP and that insurance companies are largely irrelevant.  Asking Americans to be okay with paying twice as much as other countries and our results are less efficient than other counties is madness. 

One, we don't need insurance companies as they only add cost to Americans.  Two, the cost are two high and the results are not as good as cheaper countries.  Three, the government has the ability to both reduce cost and enforce standards to improve results.  A universal care system can do both of these things.  Most of us already pay money out of each check for insurance.  Pool that into the government and make it personal contributions fair by controling costs, determining yearly costs, divide that and stagger the payments by income.  For most people their insurance cost would probably go down because if Five companies in 2009 made 19BILLION in profit, that is a lot of wast that can go back into our pockets.