Hiku said:
o_O.Q said:
"None of what you posted is the equivalent of the Special Council, FBI, CIA, NSA, DOJ, and even the (Reublican) House Intelligence Committee unanimously reaching the conclusion that the cyber attacks originated from Russia. "
i've posted evidence that all of these agencies have deceived the people on the united states for years
stealing tax money to then turn around and peddle drugs to school children, to fund conflicts and enemies of american citizens in other countries, and it goes on and on and on
why do you think that the creep who gives drugs to your kids can be trusted?
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Those are false equivalences though.
I specified that "And US intelligence sure have a history of shady business and deserve critique for that"
But it's a very different story when they all unanimously agree that the evidence is clear.
Take the Iraq war for example. Not only was there a divide in the House and the Senate when voting on the resolution to go to war, but the CIA also presented President Bush with evidence that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction six months before the 2003 US-led invasion.
According Tyler Drumheller, who headed CIA covert operations in Europe during the run-up to the Iraq war, the White House was at that point no longer interested in intel, but told him it was now about a regime change.
There's no such divide this time. All the intelligence agencies agree unanimously. The house agrees. The senate agrees.
If there's any time you don't undermine the credibility of your intelligence agencies, it's when they all unanimously agree. Because if you doubt them when they're all in unanimous agreement, it means they lose credibility in every other situation. And that's not a good thing for the US.
Furthermore, a few things you need to consider.
a) the intelligence analysts who worked on Middle East WMDs are not going to be the same as analysts focused on Russian cyber-behavior; b) the intelligence collection for hacking in the United States by overseas powers would be different from assessing illicit weapons programs in the Middle East; and c) reforms were put in place after the Iraq War to make it harder for suspect intelligence to bubble up to the top ranks without careful scrutiny. (For instance, a new procedure required heads of intelligence agencies to vouch personally for the credibility of any of their own agency’s sources that are used in a major estimate.)
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i still don't understand why you have such faith in drug dealers who will then turn around and lock you up for buying what they are selling metaphorically and literally
https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-just-declassified-the-document-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion
"The CIA released a copy of the NIE in 2004 in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, but redacted virtually all of it, citing a threat to national security."
you know what that shit means? that they intentionally obscured the details to allow the war to go forwards... you are really really naive if you trust these people at this point imo
they've been deceiving the public for decades now and continue to do so because we refuse to demand better from them
"reforms were put in place after the Iraq War to make it harder for suspect intelligence to bubble up to the top ranks without careful scrutiny."
i'm sorry but that's complete bullshit, the war in syria is obvious evidence of that, where they have continued to fund extremist groups under the guise of aiding rebels fighting a totalitarian regime
"Because if you doubt them when they're all in unanimous agreement, it means they lose credibility in every other situation."
imo any person actually looking at the scraps of information we are allowed access to has already reached that conclusion and has for a long long time now
the only reason the tragedies are still occurring is that most people do not care to look and do not understand that eventually its going to come back to effect them directly... well i suppose that's happening already with the refugee crisis, the increase in drug abuse, incarceration for possession etc etc etc
