Why football failed to catch on in certain countries

[DonFerrari]

mZuzek said:

DonFerrari said:

Since the 90's São Paulo FC won 3 titles.

A league that will rarely have a team that isn't one of the big 3 win can't be said to be competitive (it can be said to be strong), I guess you mixed the info.

Also a big reason for UEFA team winning more of the recent titles have to do with these teams completely sucking dry a lot of players from all around the world and them CONMEBOL teams got weaker.

Still I'll find it hard to believe that Arsenal, A.C. Milan and Barcelona went with intention to lose to SPFC.

Yes, players moving to European teams from everywhere in the world, including South America, is why the European teams are stronger. Acknowledge that doesn't suddenly make the European teams not stronger.

Also, I'm not too knowledgeable on São Paulo's club world cup victories, but I'm pretty sure they won one over a team you didn't even mention. You're also calling the Champions League "EuroCup", so yeah, not a lot of reliability there.

Edit: and no, no team goes to a club world cup with the intent to lose, but it is undeniable fact that south american teams are usually far more hungry to win. As a (sort of) Brazilian who supports an English club, I know how people feel about it here, and it's quite obvious how they feel about it there. Here, when a team wins the Libertadores, everyone's thoughts seem to be divided on celebrating the trophy and celebrating the qualification for the club world cup. It's kind of a sad sight really, because the Libertadores is a much better and more relevant competition, but that's how it is. For European teams, winning the Champions League is the end-all be-all. When a team wins it, everyone involved celebrates only the trophy, no one even remotely thinks about the club world cup. Furthermore, they have even less reason to give a crap about the club world cup because it takes place midway through their season, which means they have a couple of extra matches and a hell of a long trip halfway through the season to worry about when they're usually just trying to get league games done - this is especially true for English teams, because besides not having a winter break, winter itself is usually the busiest period of the season, so by adding the club world cup in there it makes their whole schedule a mess.

Doesn't make the teams stronger... but how many times have I said the championship is more competitive instead of stronger? And again when you go for a national league where a single or 3 teams dominate the level of the games also suffer because they are facing teams severely weaker than them/

Which of Arsenal, AC Milan or Barcelona doesn't exist? But yes I flipped the name of Arsenal instead of Liverpool (I have a friend that is fanatic for Arsenal and I got it mixed being both from England). But you could easily check the amount of titles won.

I wasn't naming UEFA as EuroCup. I was talking about the teams playing in a Euro Cup that anyone can reasonably understand is talking about the european championship for clubs. Yes it led to confusion, but you are streaching it.

You may be quite young or just forgetfull as well. But before 90's Brazilian teams and supporters also didn't care much about Libertadores and even the Intercontinental Cup. So using it to excuse European teams of winning the championship is silly. You already accepted they don't go to lose, if they did Barcelona wouldn't have won 6 times and they could simply forfeit the match. You can surely put the preparation being jeopardized because of the time of the match.

Ka-pi96 said:

mZuzek said:

Yes, players moving to European teams from everywhere in the world, including South America, is why the European teams are stronger. Acknowledge that doesn't suddenly make the European teams not stronger.

Also, I'm not too knowledgeable on São Paulo's club world cup victories, but I'm pretty sure they won one over a team you didn't even mention. You're also calling the Champions League "EuroCup", so yeah, not a lot of reliability there.

Edit: and no, no team goes to a club world cup with the intent to lose, but it is undeniable fact that south american teams are usually far more hungry to win. As a (sort of) Brazilian who supports an English club, I know how people feel about it here, and it's quite obvious how they feel about it there. Here, when a team wins the Libertadores, everyone's thoughts seem to be divided on celebrating the trophy and celebrating the qualification for the club world cup. It's kind of a sad sight really, because the Libertadores is a much better and more relevant competition, but that's how it is. For European teams, winning the Champions League is the end-all be-all. When a team wins it, everyone involved celebrates only the trophy, no one even remotely thinks about the club world cup. Furthermore, they have even less reason to give a crap about the club world cup because it takes place midway through their season, which means they have a couple of extra matches and a hell of a long trip halfway through the season to worry about when they're usually just trying to get league games done - this is especially true for English teams, because besides not having a winter break, winter itself is usually the busiest period of the season, so by adding the club world cup in there it makes their whole schedule a mess.

Yeah, the club world cup (and intercontinental cup before that) really isn't prestigious at all here in Europe. It's no different from any other super cup to us (does Brazil have a super cup?). Winning is preferred obviously, but win or lose it really doesn't matter that much and every game in the rest of the season is more important.

Intercontinental Cup and even the Libertadores (our equivalent to UEFA) weren't much prestigious here until the 90's. A lot of clubs gave more importance to the state cups (even smaller than the National championship in scale) to those. But Brazilian like to win, so if your team were participating you would cheer and try to win.

pastro243 said:

mZuzek said:

Yes, players moving to European teams from everywhere in the world, including South America, is why the European teams are stronger. Acknowledge that doesn't suddenly make the European teams not stronger.

Also, I'm not too knowledgeable on São Paulo's club world cup victories, but I'm pretty sure they won one over a team you didn't even mention. You're also calling the Champions League "EuroCup", so yeah, not a lot of reliability there.

Edit: and no, no team goes to a club world cup with the intent to lose, but it is undeniable fact that south american teams are usually far more hungry to win. As a (sort of) Brazilian who supports an English club, I know how people feel about it here, and it's quite obvious how they feel about it there. Here, when a team wins the Libertadores, everyone's thoughts seem to be divided on celebrating the trophy and celebrating the qualification for the club world cup. It's kind of a sad sight really, because the Libertadores is a much better and more relevant competition, but that's how it is. For European teams, winning the Champions League is the end-all be-all. When a team wins it, everyone involved celebrates only the trophy, no one even remotely thinks about the club world cup. Furthermore, they have even less reason to give a crap about the club world cup because it takes place midway through their season, which means they have a couple of extra matches and a hell of a long trip halfway through the season to worry about when they're usually just trying to get league games done - this is especially true for English teams, because besides not having a winter break, winter itself is usually the busiest period of the season, so by adding the club world cup in there it makes their whole schedule a mess.

It's true. But I'd also say Brazilian and Argentinian championships are not that far behind european leagues. Certainly La Liga, Premier, Serie A, Bundesliga and Ligue 1 are better, but after that you could argue Brasileirao is better than Portuguese league or Edervise. 

That guy is totally not understanding the point. I didn't say Brasileirão is better or stronger, I said it is much more competitive because of the amount of teams that have real chance to the title and because of that you'll have more good games since watching Real Madrid destroying half of the teams in it's league isn't that high level, and the matches between the weak teams also wouldn't be that strong.